1 (edited by RickB 2011-09-09 05:49:36)

Topic: SoCal in the dark

Interesting what happens when all the lights go out everywhere. The regional blackout was a good drill for us in Southern California on how much we rely on all our conveniences. Traffic jams around gas stations with no way to pump gas. Almost every store closed except for the occasional mom and pop that could deal in cash only. People wandering around with a useless pda when the cell and inet systems crashed due to overload and site failures, asking how they could call someone, with regional authorities asking to conserve by texting only and reserving cell calls for emergencies. Thankfully, it was repaired in about 10 hours at our house. Cooking dinner by candlelight was interesting but we were lucky to have gas. Many were eating cold from cans, if at all. And darn, we missed the football game and the President's speech. neutral
Rick
edit, it turned out to be caused by human error at a substation in Arizona. Chain reaction took down the entire grid from Arizona to Northern Mexico, all of San Diego County, and up to Orange and Riverside counties. Over five million people were out of power for about a half day.

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Rick,
Here in the UK, unbeknown to most we get some serious flooding, luckily we are out of the flood zone (or so we think), but we do lose power sometimes. I fitted a 3kw inverter into one of our vehicles. I can quickly hook it up to the house and run lights, cooker, Internet, Tv and heating. Works like a dream. I always make sure the van us full of fuel during suspect times.
Cost if the one was only around $200, well worth it.



RickB wrote:

Interesting what happens when all the lights go out everywhere. The regional blackout was a good drill for us in Southern California on how much we rely on all our conveniences. Traffic jams around gas stations with no way to pump gas. Almost every store closed except for the occasional mom and pop that could deal in cash only. People wandering around with a useless pda when the cell and inet systems crashed due to overload and site failures, asking how they could call someone, with regional authorities asking to conserve by texting only and reserving cell calls for emergencies. Thankfully, it was repaired in about 10 hours at our house. Cooking dinner by candlelight was interesting but we were lucky to have gas. Many were eating cold from cans, if at all. And darn, we missed the football game and the President's speech. neutral
Rick
edit, it turned out to be caused by human error at a substation in Arizona. Chain reaction took down the entire grid from Arizona to Northern Mexico, all of San Diego County, and up to Orange and Riverside counties. Over five million people were out of power for about a half day.

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Up until last week, had to do without mains Gas for 3 weeks - i won't bore you with the details!! Luckily, had lecky power to see us through.

I remember my first holiday to Spain, it rained a couple of days, and as a precaution, the hotel switched off all the power!!
Spanish wiring and water = not a good mix!  lol

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Been through everything.   Ice storm 1998 far worse.  This one was not even a drop in the bucket.  The scale is just ridiculous however.  NOT verified human error, but that comes from a utility company spokesperson, so taken with a double grain of salt.
Me being a BIT cynical on this one think it may be human INTENTION...but you know me, think too much or explore other side always...
Something smells rotten and not just in Denmark...  mad This was unnatural.  mad 
Would've really sucked if Joe was in town although maybe we could've had a repeat JB birthdate party performance!  big_smile

Martin, smart man.  We do that sort of thing a lot US of A rural areas, although internet or tv services might be unattainable, the food prep, general comforts for heating (or cooling) are most needed and available...and unplanned turn of events can often bring out some unexpectedly very good times with family and / or friends....or even sometimes strangers (who probably live next door  lol cool ) out here.  tongue 

Given the title of the topic, won't matter if the grid was bulletproof, would still be much truth-common sense lacks so much at times like this here and even much lesser

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Brack, what is "lecky" power???  neutral
Edit: Never mind I figured it out-"electric"

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Probably the only time I'll ever be able to say this...Thank God I'm on SoCal Edison.  No power interruptions.  Although as the football game turned out, maybe I wished that I was in the dark

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Count your blessings you only were without power for a brief time. I live outside of Binghamton NY. Many people here have lost their homes and jobs from this flood. Life in this region will never be the same.  sad   I hope all affected are safe.

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We just went four days without power, annoying, but not the end of the world.  We have a generator that we use when camping ( we do a lot of "dry" camping-places with no elec/water hookups) so we were able to plug in our fridge in the house (which quickly got filled with the food from our two tenants), the neighbors fridge and the fridge in the camper.  The most annoying thing was not being able to get any reliable communication about how long it would take for the juice to come back.  Smartphones do have some limits, and on mine it could not download the info map from the power company (not that there was any truthful or accurate info on it anyways).  Sort of "camped" for the week - spent a lot of time outside visiting with others in the same boat, cooking on the grill.  No bid deal in the long run.  On the other hand....

Spider, I hope you guys are ok - you have had a very rough time lately, and so many of your neighbors, too.  And parts of Vermont and NH are a total mess.  Makes a nine-hour power interruption look like a walk in the park.  Mother Nature needs to cut the northeast a break for awhile.

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I hope all improves for you Spider. Our little interruption pales in comparison to what you all on the East Coast have had to endure lately. The thing about our power cut was that there was no prep time or warning. One minute, all was normal, the next nothing at all worked, and the government had no idea of why it happened or how long it would last. No one could prepare for the event and the lack of foresight had many left stranded with out of gas cars. The gridlock on the roads was monumental as all traffic signals went out just at normal rush hour, and off ramps from the freeways were soon plugged. The electric rail system came to a halt with passengers walking from wherever the train stopped, and there were lots of folk stuck in elevators. Now we have the knowledge that all power to the region is via two feeders. If either is cut, the other goes down from overload. Rocket's suspicions are due to the current battle between the back country NIMBYs (acronym for Not In My Back Yard) and the power company that is putting in a 3rd feeder line to bring in solar power from the desert areas. The rural folk are fighting tooth and nail to stop it since it is a visual blight on their wide open spaces. It was an interesting look at how reliant we are these days on inet, cell phones and constant power, and how quickly it all falls apart when they disappear.
Rick

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I hope all improves for you Spider. Our little interruption pales in comparison to what you all on the East Coast have had to endure lately. The thing about our power cut was that there was no prep time or warning. One minute, all was normal, the next nothing at all worked, and the government had no idea of why it happened or how long it would last. No one could prepare for the event and the lack of foresight had many left stranded with out of gas cars. The gridlock on the roads was monumental as all traffic signals went out just at normal rush hour, and off ramps from the freeways were soon plugged. The electric rail system came to a halt with passengers walking from wherever the train stopped, and there were lots of folk stuck in elevators. Now we have the knowledge that all power to the region is via two feeders. If either is cut, the other goes down from overload. Rocket's suspicions are due to the current battle between the back country NIMBYs (acronym for Not In My Back Yard) and the power company that is putting in a 3rd feeder line to bring in solar power from the desert areas. The rural folk are fighting tooth and nail to stop it since it is a visual blight on their wide open spaces. It was an interesting look at how reliant we are these days on inet, cell phones and constant power, and how quickly it all falls apart when they disappear.
Rick

As I read your last words, I'm thinking of a saying we have here, "What the country provides, the city takes". And then Robin Trowers "Too Rolling Stoned" comes on the radio.."The takers get the Honey, The Givers sing the Blues". Ironic.  lol

There's another saying we have here. "Flush your toilets. New York City needs the water".  lol   lol   lol

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That was only one of my suspicions...
My suspicions can and do go even more deeply ominous and nefarious than Power Playing us for fools companies...

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Watched Arizona St. vs. Missouri last night and ASU debuted a new all black uniform and encouraged their fans to wear black to create a "blackout" theme in the stands. Gotta wonder if that tech that triggered the grid failure over in Tucson is an ASU alumni???????

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ohiodawg13 wrote:

Watched Arizona St. vs. Missouri last night and ASU debuted a new all black uniform and encouraged their fans to wear black to create a "blackout" theme in the stands. Gotta wonder if that tech that triggered the grid failure over in Tucson is an ASU alumni???????

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yikes  lol

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Spider wrote:

Count your blessings you only were without power for a brief time. I live outside of Binghamton NY. Many people here have lost their homes and jobs from this flood. Life in this region will never be the same.  sad   I hope all affected are safe.

Yeah, I been wondering 'bout that.  You guys aren't used to (or ready for) that.  You yourself have had exposure to hurricanes with your FL time but wow...My brother called me to say NH is closed this week... sad  lol StrangeDaysIndeed.

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Rick,

Are you seeing more bicylists lately?  That would've been a "freakout" moment for this hick from French Lick.

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Curby wrote:

Rick,Are you seeing more bicylists lately?  That would've been a "freakout" moment for this hick from French Lick.

As the evening progressed with no word of why it happened, or how long it would last, thoughts of 9/11 were hard to dispel, especially after an erroneous rumor came in on the emergency radio station of power stations on fire in the desert, and the official request to cease cell phone use to conserve bandwidth for emergency services. I've not noticed an increase in bicycle traffic, it is still a death wish with our drivers on the road. It gives one pause to think of owning an electric car though.... Even those who have installed solar power to cut down on the electric bills were dark. It turns out the electric co. controls the switch, and most don't have installed battery reserve. There were a lot of impromptu neighborhood candlelight bbq's as everyone began to cook up the stuff in the fridge that would soon spoil  if power wasn't restored. It was nice to see young people out and socializing instead of being glued to their portable inet devices. Some walked about in a daze with no clue of what to do on thier own in the real world.  neutral

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Who's flipping the wrong switch?  wink  hmm

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