Topic: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

most talk about hearing loss having to do w/ high freq loss, but what about low and mid freqs?

this made me think of joe bonamassa. i read an interview where he says he's not a fan of treble, so he keeps dialing it out. he also says this isn't an ear issue since it's the treble that's being dialed out. what if he's lost some of those low and mmids hearing freqs? is that possible?

love joe's music, tone, and playing, so i want those ears in good condition!  if you read this joe, and low and/or mid freq loss is possible, check out your ears.  love the darker tone on black rock, btw.   was just wondering if perhaps a change in tone tastes is due to taste or possibly lower register hearing loss.

Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

This reminds me of old sound guys.

they suffered hearing loss over the years, so when they do your bands sound, they crank up the highs.  sad

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Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

This reminds me of old sound guys.

they suffered hearing loss over the years, so when they do your bands sound, they crank up the highs.  sad

Not entirely true.  But can certainly be true.  The most critical frequencies for speech are in the 1-5 kHz range, with 3.x being very critical.  High end loss IS typical of industrialized countries (now about every one to a degree), and it doesn't always only have to do with volume dBA per se; it is even more important exposure lengths ( short term AND long term including life time) and transient levels encountered.  Someone who mixes sound may have better hearing than a typical factory worker who moonlights as a musician (don't take that as a personal inference Nick, just as an example).  Over 30 years of age it is expected to have some loss at the high end of the audible spectrum.  Heck, just leaving your teens it starts a presumed decline. I still have extra sensory hearing at the low end and decent high end, but I have a DEAFINITE [sic] (pun intended) loss right around where the average male voice peaks. It's ironic but I cannot hear men almost adjacent to me, but a woman at the same distance and greater I have much less of a problem.  Lucky me! It's a few hundred hertz difference on average, but it happens the US NAVY stole some for working around jets... yikes
A good "old sound guy" has several workarounds that can help them get it right, and not just for their self, without poking bloody holes in younger ears. 

I believe Joe has stated a reason of hearing his tone better with the mids scooped out.  I'd say he likely has better hearing than the average early 30's guy, despite his profession.  If for no other reason than not over-using the average resonance frequencies of the human ear contained in the mids...... I'm all big ears to hearing Joe further on this, but just proffering my views and news.  smile


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Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

Rocket wrote:

I believe Joe has stated a reason of hearing his tone better with the mids scooped out.
Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

Where did you hear this?
Before Joe, I was always EQ'ing B10 M4 T8... the standard "V"... then I discovered the mids help cut through more, so now I do more of a B9 M8 T7 on a Marshally amp and B3 M8 T6 on Fendery amps.

-Nic

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Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

I remember Joe mentioning exteme lows and highs are where whales and bats communicate.  The human voice is emmulated with mids.....changed my view on the scooped settings I had been using.

6 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-04 16:18:57)

Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

NPB_EST.1979 wrote:
Rocket wrote:

I believe Joe has stated a reason of hearing his tone better with the mids scooped out.
Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

Where did you hear this?
Before Joe, I was always EQ'ing B10 M4 T8... the standard "V"... then I discovered the mids help cut through more, so now I do more of a B9 M8 T7 on a Marshally amp and B3 M8 T6 on Fendery amps.

-Nic

Don't know the exact quote, but it seems like he thought it muddled (my choice of word, not his, as a verbal description, not to be confused with muddied, which would be too much bottom) up his sound  (perception, as in monitoring what he is doing).  Of course maybe i dint hear it at all due to hearing (and memory  lol ) loss!!!   tongue
The whales and bats? The extremes in audio are beyond mere humans although their effects (to some degree) are not.

Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

Nick if you want to cut through pick the 1, 3, or 6 Khz (or combinations if desired and / or possible), the 6  having a bit more of a "stab" to it.  And if it is vocals, just go for the throat, I mean ears with 1 kHZ (even most rudimentary graphic EQ's have a 1 kHz slider) which generally produces more clarity and comprehension (and "presence" for both voice and instruments), voice timbres notwithstanding...

Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

"He still doesn't charge for mistakes! wink"
http://jbonamassa.com/tour-dates/
"Everybody wants ta get inta the act!"
“Now, this isn’t your ordinary party crowd, here.  I mean, there are professionals in here.”

Re: Joe Bonamassa--some hearing loss?

I'm pretty reluctant to put a 30 band graphic EQ in my effects look. Have been running straight into the amp for about 10 years how, and it's amazingly simple. I only use the Boss EQ pedal on acoustics going through a PA.

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