Topic: turn up the keyboards

hi there...  just want to say how much i dig the band..  listen to them a lot on my ipod... saw them at the factory in sydney and at the blues festival in byron...   BUT  have to say that  there are four people on stage and i can hardly ever hear rick on the keyboards.. and i love the keyboards..  and i really want to hear them...   and i'm sure i'm not the only one... cheers from happy go lucky...

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I'm not out to insult anyone, which means my comment is totally serious but not intended to demean or in any way imply your experiences aren't as you comment, as this is a much repeated "complaint".  However, in my earnest opinion, many people would not realize they really do hear Rick Melick's keyboards unless he suddenly wasn't playing in the band, period.  Again, that is not meant to be a swipe in any way at anyone's perception and experience.  He doesn't play in a manner some people expect, this I know for sure, gathered from many comments and discussions I've had regrading this with others, but of course do not know if it's the case for most people who say they cannot hear his keyboards, let alone for you specifically as individuals.  He has a few "special" parts.  Maybe the band really ought to consider playing Another Kind Of Love again, and then take my repeatedly unsolicited advice of playing Goin' Down with some serious extensible Rick Rack Zig Zag Padda Whacka Give the Dogs a Bone of Tonically Keypersonal Sakes Alive soloing before going into the Melickholy intro to Sloe Gin, a number he certainly has great bearing on the sonic palette of it's pseudo-operatic movements with his stellar playing.  But, I hear ya.  And Rick too.

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happy go lucky wrote:

hi there...  just want to say how much i dig the band..  listen to them a lot on my ipod... saw them at the factory in sydney and at the blues festival in byron...   BUT  have to say that  there are four people on stage and i can hardly ever hear rick on the keyboards.. and i love the keyboards..  and i really want to hear them...   and i'm sure i'm not the only one... cheers from happy go lucky...

I wonder who's in charge on the mixing desk ?

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Brack wrote:
happy go lucky wrote:

hi there...  just want to say how much i dig the band..  listen to them a lot on my ipod... saw them at the factory in sydney and at the blues festival in byron...   BUT  have to say that  there are four people on stage and i can hardly ever hear rick on the keyboards.. and i love the keyboards..  and i really want to hear them...   and i'm sure i'm not the only one... cheers from happy go lucky...

I wonder who's in charge on the mixing desk ?

I'm about to get sarcastic here...

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I CAN smell a con's piracy a mile away also... Not directed to anyone except to whom the shoe fits Sin Der Fella...

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I was at last nights show in Redbank NJ and I was seated dead center in the orchestra section. As always the show was outstanding but the only instruments I could hear throughout the whole show were the guitars and the drums. Joe you are an awesome guitarist but you have an amazingly talented band which need to be heard too. The little you could hear of the keyboards sounded amazing and the Hammond organ is an important part of creating the blues sound,  so someone please turn the volume up on the keys!! The same with the bass. I have followed Carmine's career from his Bowie days and I know he can rock it out on the bass, and it was difficult to hear any of his great bass runs last night. I saw the band a couple of years ago and the sound was so much better. I don't know what has changed, but as a band its important all your talents are heard to create the ultimate show for all the fans. I hope next time I see the band live that this will ring true.

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Am I the only one who hears everything in this band?  I can offer an analogy.  I mean there's many different kind of chocolate bars in the  world, they all taste like chocolate for sure, but doesn't your personal favorites have a special flavor that has just the right touch of some other ingredients which you either taste strongly or you do NOT taste strongly but still, the blend is so fine to you taste buds?  I guess I assume we all can relate somewhat to that.  Maybe it's all just me though.  I like the mix.

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Bluesgal5 wrote:

I was at last nights show in Redbank NJ and I was seated dead center in the orchestra section. As always the show was outstanding but the only instruments I could hear throughout the whole show were the guitars and the drums. Joe you are an awesome guitarist but you have an amazingly talented band which need to be heard too. The little you could hear of the keyboards sounded amazing and the Hammond organ is an important part of creating the blues sound,  so someone please turn the volume up on the keys!! The same with the bass. I have followed Carmine's career from his Bowie days and I know he can rock it out on the bass, and it was difficult to hear any of his great bass runs last night. I saw the band a couple of years ago and the sound was so much better. I don't know what has changed, but as a band its important all your talents are heard to create the ultimate show for all the fans. I hope next time I see the band live that this will ring true.

I have heard several recent shows and the bass has sounded good to great depending on location and room. I think the room and posiction make a great deal of difference in the sound of the bass. If you are up close enough to the stage to hear the bass's stage volume it could compete with the sound out of the FOH speakers and muddle up the sound. The last show I saw was in a pretty large room 2,400 and I was middle of the house and further back. Carmines sound was very articulate from there.

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There is a strange phenomonon that occurs with some mixes regarding the bass.  There is sometimes a pocket that the bass just escapes.  It works against me as well as for me.

Did a show two years ago outdoors and the sound man was right in a "no bass bubble."  Thirty feet further away from the stage, tents were falling over, glasses were vibrating off tables tops and pacemakers were imploding from the boom.  The mix on stage was accurate through monitors & backline, though.

When I told the mixmaster to take a walk with me he invited me to do something impossible.  Sputter and curse at the funky dr.  sad   It sounded fine where he sat.  I could pucker up and address his posterior.  He made it clear.

When the stage turd set the baffles in front of my amp, I waited till time to go on and kicked them over and stood on them for an hour.  The sound man scrambled to redial his board in a hurry.  tongue

Jim is right.  where you sit could change the mix.  Then again some folks mix with nothing but bass, but I don't know that they would be at a JOE! show.

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And unfortunately, in a sitting venue, you are confined to the place you sit.  In a standing venue, movement (as a rule of thumb, or thumb in your eye if packed sardine club) within the diameter of a circle that is equal to an average person spreading their arms out straight while standing and moving within that imaginary circle which would be made if they spin in a circle, or just outside that circle will dramatically change the bass/treble content to a significant degree.  Whether it is acceptable or not, good luck....... Sitting, options are available for seat swaps, from a couple exchanging to a group shuffling places, it can become satisfactory....Of course only sometimes I suppose.  Standing waves just sometimes won't step aside, but again, sometimes they can be side-stepped.

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Rocket

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Rocket wrote:

And unfortunately, in a sitting venue, you are confined to the place you sit.  In a standing venue, movement (as a rule of thumb, or thumb in your eye if packed sardine club) within the diameter of a circle that is equal to an average person spreading their arms out straight while standing and moving within that imaginary circle which would be made if they spin in a circle, or just outside that circle will dramatically change the bass/treble content to a significant degree.  Whether it is acceptable or not, good luck....... Sitting, options are available for seat swaps, from a couple exchanging to a group shuffling places, it can become satisfactory....Of course only sometimes I suppose.  Standing waves just sometimes won't step aside, but again, sometimes they can be side-stepped.

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Do those standing waves ratios' vary Rocket, or only waver when we are standing and waving?  hmm   tongue  lol
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I too was at the Factory gig in Sydney and many times couldn't understand the mix.  Sooo hard to hear Rick on keyboard.  I kinda thought it was all skewed to make JB the only hero for the night which seemed fair as he is the boss, BUT it also seemed to blatantly miss out on some wicked moments that I had to strain to catch from Rick.
Seemed pretty obvious actually - the mix at the Factory seemed to be set for a big stadium which was odd for the venue.  Just so loud particularly in the beginning but missing lots of dynamics that eventually crept in a bit. (Probably perfect by the time it made it to Blues & Roots)
No doubt of course JB was awesome and would make you weep with joy anywhere but Carmine and Ricardo were so lush to enjoy that night also.
Simple fix Mr Mixer Please turn him up.  Methinks he is like a very very fine red and just keeps on getting better so for goodness sakes don't miss out on hearing him.

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I hope not. I just want a solo & Goin' Down....

Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
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Great concert at the Wilbur in Boston, but I couldn't hear Rick's hammond AT ALL.  His other keys were barely audible.  The rest of the rhythm section sounded great. Too bad.  Blues + B3 = Religious Experience.

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I heard Rick just fine at the Iowa City & Omaha shows!  Sounded great and he was happy to hear that the B3 was coming thru!  Rick plays it with such style & flair....he plays the way I wish I could play  wink

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