Re: Beyoncé

Brack wrote:

I'm going to start a new Topic Thread for this.... Ok!
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Re: Beyoncé

no.  don't you have to create art to be an artist?  best pop princess sex icon?  i don't really care about that category, but for that she definitely deserves some consideration.  artist, not even close.  disrespectful to mention her along side the great ones as far as i'm concerned

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suhl wrote:

no.  don't you have to create art to be an artist?  best pop princess sex icon?  i don't really care about that category, but for that she definitely deserves some consideration.  artist, not even close.  disrespectful to mention her along side the great ones as far as i'm concerned

Some would consider, a toilet hanging on a wall.... to be art! Oh yes!.... I have seen it, in an art gallery! Is it art because the artist says it is ?

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Re: Beyoncé

Brack wrote:

Stu, what's all this ?
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The links work for me, you just have to give the songs time to download...or you can go directly to www.duffybishop.com and from the music link listen to them there (but the same thing applies, you must wait for the songs to download)

Re: Beyoncé

Stu Craig wrote:
Brack wrote:

Stu, what's all this ?
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The links work for me, you just have to give the songs time to download...or you can go directly to www.duffybishop.com and from the music link listen to them there (but the same thing applies, you must wait for the songs to download)

I've given one track a listen stu.

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Tell ya one thing, Beyonce can sing AND shake.... Shakira???? And believe it or not Lady Gag-me writes her own songs.....

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Re: Beyoncé

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Deezer wrote:

I think the composition angle is b.s., no offense intended. Nobody here questions Etta James's legacy or artistry, and yet, most of her hits were written by someone else. It's what you're feeling when you're belting it out, not whether or not you wrote. So let's just throw that out the window.

Sorry, there is a BIG diff artist versus vocalist from the bank account right on down....

Explain further please.

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suhl wrote:

no.  don't you have to create art to be an artist?  best pop princess sex icon?  i don't really care about that category, but for that she definitely deserves some consideration.  artist, not even close.  disrespectful to mention her along side the great ones as far as i'm concerned

The Beatles at one time were considered fluff. Now, I'm not saying that Beyonce = The Beatles. But, what I'm saying is, who knows what the history books will say about today's music. I'm sure there were people who loved Big Band and Sinatra in the 40s and 50s who loathed Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles, and now Hendrix and the Beatles are viewed as true art. Who knows. Something so objective is hard to nail down, what is art and what is not.

Look, the question is, and should always, not whether something is art or not. Not whether something is good or not. It should be, do I like it or not? It's so objective, it's hard to tell. So it's best to just avoid the question all together, because there will never be a right answer, no matter how right you think you are.

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Re: Beyoncé

Brack wrote:
suhl wrote:

no.  don't you have to create art to be an artist?  best pop princess sex icon?  i don't really care about that category, but for that she definitely deserves some consideration.  artist, not even close.  disrespectful to mention her along side the great ones as far as i'm concerned

Some would consider, a toilet hanging on a wall.... to be art! Oh yes!.... I have seen it, in an art gallery! Is it art because the artist says it is ?

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You try telling an Art critic, not to ask questions! tongue

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Deezer wrote:
mikeb wrote:
Deezer wrote:

I think the composition angle is b.s., no offense intended. Nobody here questions Etta James's legacy or artistry, and yet, most of her hits were written by someone else. It's what you're feeling when you're belting it out, not whether or not you wrote. So let's just throw that out the window.

Sorry, there is a BIG diff artist versus vocalist from the bank account right on down....

Explain further please.

http://www.vocalist.org.uk/covers_vs_originals.html

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Re: Beyoncé

Deezer wrote:

I think the composition angle is b.s., no offense intended. Nobody here questions Etta James's legacy or artistry, and yet, most of her hits were written by someone else. It's what you're feeling when you're belting it out, not whether or not you wrote. So let's just throw that out the window.

If artists compose, sing/dance/act, and even produce.... has to add to the artists professional career ? So best not to throw anything out of the window. Apart from anything else.... it's damn dangerous !! tongue

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Yes, but at the same time, it doesn't take away either. Many artists have been brilliant doing other people's songs. Many have made a career out of it. One look at the blues shows that. Joe Cocker is an example in the rock world. Joe is the best example of that. Do we take away from his genius because under half of the songs on the new record are not his. What about You & Me? We just got done having this discussion on the general forum. If you can do it, great, that makes you a bad mofo. But if you don't, it doesn't take away from what you do.

Also, the idea that "If artists compose, sing/dance/act, and even produce.... has to add to the artists professional career" is just blatantly in the "we have to keep score and make it competitive." And brother, music ain't competitive. If you dig it, great. If you don't, the beauty is you're allowed to have your opinion. But in my humble opinion, it's absurd to say "this artist is BETTER than this artist," or "this is art, that is not." It should be, "I like this artist, I don't like that artist," or "I like this art better than this art." I really try to stay away from who's better. It's just impossible. Even if there are 99.9 % that agree, there's still that .01%.

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Re: Beyoncé

Deezer wrote:

Yes, but at the same time, it doesn't take away either. Many artists have been brilliant doing other people's songs. Many have made a career out of it. One look at the blues shows that. Joe Cocker is an example in the rock world. Joe is the best example of that. Do we take away from his genius because under half of the songs on the new record are not his. What about You & Me? We just got done having this discussion on the general forum. If you can do it, great, that makes you a bad mofo. But if you don't, it doesn't take away from what you do.

Also, the idea that "If artists compose, sing/dance/act, and even produce.... has to add to the artists professional career" is just blatantly in the "we have to keep score and make it competitive." And brother, music ain't competitive. If you dig it, great. If you don't, the beauty is you're allowed to have your opinion. But in my humble opinion, it's absurd to say "this artist is BETTER than this artist," or "this is art, that is not." It should be, "I like this artist, I don't like that artist," or "I like this art better than this art." I really try to stay away from who's better. It's just impossible. Even if there are 99.9 % that agree, there's still that .01%.

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You just go ahead and chill. Because I'm already chilled since we've got snowflakes the size of half dollars. yikes

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Deezer wrote:

You just go ahead and chill. Because I'm already chilled since we've got snowflakes the size of half dollars. yikes

Nice one! cool

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Is she better than Madonna?

Beyonce has only reinvented herself once so far. She has to stay relavent to answer this question. The whole "best ever" thing can never be answered factually, only opinionated.

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NPB_EST.1979 wrote:

Is she better than Madonna?

Beyonce has only reinvented herself once so far. She has to stay relavent to answer this question. The whole "best ever" thing can never be answered factually, only opinionated.

True! Better than Madonna ? No, not yet. IMO, Madonna is the Queen.

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Re: Beyoncé

Deezer wrote:
suhl wrote:

no.  don't you have to create art to be an artist?  best pop princess sex icon?  i don't really care about that category, but for that she definitely deserves some consideration.  artist, not even close.  disrespectful to mention her along side the great ones as far as i'm concerned

The Beatles at one time were considered fluff. Now, I'm not saying that Beyonce = The Beatles. But, what I'm saying is, who knows what the history books will say about today's music. I'm sure there were people who loved Big Band and Sinatra in the 40s and 50s who loathed Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles, and now Hendrix and the Beatles are viewed as true art. Who knows. Something so objective is hard to nail down, what is art and what is not.

Look, the question is, and should always, not whether something is art or not. Not whether something is good or not. It should be, do I like it or not? It's so objective, it's hard to tell. So it's best to just avoid the question all together, because there will never be a right answer, no matter how right you think you are.

as far as i'm concerned art is created for the sake of art, beyonce is a character carefully crafted by many different people to sell as much as she can for as long as she can.  beyonce's music is commerce, not art.  i don't care how right other peple think i am, i don't speak for them, i speak for myself.  of course there is no universally right answer i assumed that went without saying.

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