Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

Personally I think Davy was scared $hitless at the prospect of maybe being invited to jam with the likes of Joe and Derek, after watching the youtubes of him with Warren its no wonder, it probably increased his paranoia like lookin in his mirror and seein a police car.

Two thumbs down for imho a marginally talented guitar player with exceptionally talented management who I also believed may have made a mistake by backing out of HAB. Case and point, going on the ABB forum after this concert the reviews for Joes set and subsequent jam with Derek were 100% favorable, this from a community of music lovers that in the past didn't always have kind things to say about our Joe. I gaurentee Joe added many new fans on that day from the ranks of Dereks fans in attendance.

As far as Davy is concerned, he had his chance to impress me and chicken footed out.

my .02
fuzzy

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

Maybe next year they invite one of those other hot blues bands breaking out of Europe or here at home. People see things different all the time Roy.  Don't take our chagrin personally.  It's not about you nor your kinship or the others on Joe Bonamassa's forum kinship or affectionate feelings at all. And I totally disagree about decisions for the most part turn out for the better.  Spouses leave for greener fields that can turn into ugly blues.  People lose house and home, I could go on & on. Blues music wouldn't exist (there's a good one finally) and world peace would be reality.
The thing you may be missing because your nose doesn't smell foul the same, is to many here, a hookup and association with ALL the acts but ESPECIALLY being one of the top acts there along with Derek & Joe and their respective bands, is a chance to really push bluesrock further into mainstream musical mindsets was LOST. Yeah, more people mathematically know of the respective members of Chickenfoot, but I think music suffered the most, at least for one hot day this summer.  Luckily it was a great, great festival anyway. And to have Joe up there with Derek was not a platinum experience, it was golden and it was priceless. For you know who, a swing and a miss!

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

Fuzzy that was never lost on me, that's what I meant in one of those HAB post with "Buck, buck, buck" (2 meanings).  But PEACE to all chickens everywhere, until I eat them! Hottest sauce please!

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

Amsterhammer wrote:
bigjeffjones wrote:

This was not just a few fans.  They ran out of food, water and bathrooms because of the size of the crowd.  I was there.  There was Rocket from Cal, Eva & Gunter from Germany, A contingent from upstate New Yawk and one from New England.  Blues Fans from all over the globe.

...Florida, Texas, Amsterdam......HUGE..... wink

lol Not to mention Amsterdam...Colorado, etc.

Don't hurt 'em Hammer. tongue

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40 (edited by Greenose 2009-12-24 02:12:51)

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Goodness this goes on and on and on...

Guys if you do some simple economics, you will realise that Davy probably had to give up the HAB festival for the Chickenfoot tour. It was probably a case of do the whole tour on don't do any of it. There was a similar case for Aynsely Lister recently when he had to pull out of a festival that probably would have involved a crowd of 500 max, to play four dates with Lynyrd Skynrd infront of 20,000! It's simply a case of getting the best exposure.  You are never going to be in the mainstream playing a blues festival, no matter the lineup. With Chickenfoot it gave Davy the chance to play infront of a large rock audience (admittedly for a very overhyped supergroup).

If you wanted to see him then great, that means you're a fan of his, so in that case make up for your disappointment by seeing him at another opportunity, rather than moaning on Joe's forum five months later. Some of the comments above are seriously juvenile. If hewas scared to play with Joe and Derek than why did he play with Satriani? If you liked him, and now you hate him, don't you think you are perhaps repressing your inner feelings!? hmm

If anyone has any reason to feel aggrieved with not seeing Davy, then it's his UK fans where, aside from two dates, he has not played for two years. Believe me you'll have a better chance to see him close up in the future than we will. So, my advice, stop the backbiting and get some seasonal cheer!

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41 (edited by BluesMan 2009-12-24 02:42:26)

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Greenose wrote:

Goodness this goes on and on and on...

Guys if you do some simple economics, you will realise that Davy probably had to give up the HAB festival for the Chickenfoot tour. It was probably a case of do the whole tour on don't do any of it. There was a similar case for Aynsely Lister recently when he had to pull out of a festival that probably would have involved a crowd of 500 max, to play four dates with Lynyrd Skynrd infront of 20,000! It's simply a case of getting the best exposure.  You are never going to be in the mainstream playing a blues festival, no matter the lineup. With Chickenfoot it gave Davy the chance to play infront of a large rock audience (admittedly for a very overhyped supergroup).

If you wanted to see him then great, that means you're a fan of his, so in that case make up for your disappointment by seeing him at another opportunity, rather than moaning on Joe's forum five months later. Some of the comments above are seriously juvenile. If hewas scared to play with Joe and Derek than why did he play with Satriani? If you liked him, and now you hate him, don't you think you are perhaps repressing your inner feelings!? hmm

If anyone has any reason to feel aggrieved with not seeing Davy, then it's his UK fans where, aside from two dates, he has not played for two years. Believe me you'll have a better chance to see him close up in the future than we will. So, my advice, stop the backbiting and get some seasonal cheer!

Very well put Duncan and I for one, have not lost one bit of my seasonal cheer! wink

Santa says, "Ho, Ho, Ho!!" And Tiger asks, "Where, Where Where?" lol

Also, as of today, I'm on vacation through January 3rd, 2010!! big_smile

Roy

P.S. Jane my friend, I was not comparing Joe to Davy. I was trying to illustrate the point that I don't pout and go away mad because something didn't happen that I wanted badly to happen. And hey, I've teased Joe about not coming to Wisconsin before, even wrote him enough that he mentioned that fact during his last show here, but not naming me specifcally. wink

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

BluesMan wrote:

  Rev. Paul,

I think we're fighting a losing battle here because, some just want to find fault with others no matter what or who it is. You see, you and I have both met Davy and gotten to know him a little. We've seen how he treats everyone; from his fans to the band to the guys that support him on the road. And I must say this, which I'm sure I've said before, you will not meet a kinder, more humble, more gracious man (not just young man) anywhere on this planet. At least, I haven't thus far.

Roy

What battle, Roy?  This is not about you.  I would feel the same about personal Integrity if it was you, Joe or myself or my best friend.  I stated quite clearly that I would wait and see.  There is no finding fault.  It happened. 

Smart people sometimes make stupid moves.  It doesn't make them stupid.  Good people make bad moves; doesn't make them bad.

I base my opinion on my experience, strength & hope.  It's all I have.  Rocket and I both gave thoughtful answers and observations without condemning the man.  I've seen this music biz scenario before.  More than once.  It's not about starting a fight.  It is a CONCERN. 

Duncan for the most part there's not a lot of backbiting going on.  You have helped actually make my point.  I don't care if I go see him or not.  What I said is I don't get it.  Ansley, Joe, BigJeff, Davy, Roy or Duncan...you have a committment, honor it.  I don't get what makes it OK.

It is simple economics.  Short run or long run. 

MuchLove
Funky Dr of Love

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Look, what it came down to is they felt they had to make a decision. They went with what they went with for whatever reasons they had. Does that tick some people off? Yes. But that's part of it. Not everybody is going to like the decisions that someone makes. The businessman in me is saying that was the right decision. The music fan says it wasn't. Business and music is at war, always has been. Always will be. But in the end, if Davy keeps making kick-arse music, I doubt this will be a big deal.

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44 (edited by BluesMan 2009-12-24 02:51:17)

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bigjeffjones wrote:
BluesMan wrote:

  Rev. Paul,

I think we're fighting a losing battle here because, some just want to find fault with others no matter what or who it is. You see, you and I have both met Davy and gotten to know him a little. We've seen how he treats everyone; from his fans to the band to the guys that support him on the road. And I must say this, which I'm sure I've said before, you will not meet a kinder, more humble, more gracious man (not just young man) anywhere on this planet. At least, I haven't thus far.

Roy

What battle, Roy?  This is not about you.  I would feel the same about personal Integrity if it was you, Joe or myself or my best friend.  I stated quite clearly that I would wait and see.  There is no finding fault.  It happened. 

Smart people sometimes make stupid moves.  It doesn't make them stupid.  Good people make bad moves; doesn't make them bad.

I base my opinion on my experience, strength & hope.  It's all I have.  Rocket and I both gave thoughtful answers and observations without condemning the man.  I've seen this music biz scenario before.  More than once.  It's not about starting a fight.  It is a CONCERN. 

Duncan for the most part there's not a lot of backbiting going on.  You have helped actually make my point.  I don't care if I go see him or not.  What I said is I don't get it.  Ansley, Joe, BigJeff, Davy, Roy or Duncan...you have a committment, honor it.  I don't get what makes it OK.

It is simple economics.  Short run or long run. 

MuchLove
Funky Dr of Love


Correcto Mundo Big Jeff a/k/a Funky Dr of Love a/k/a BJJ, it isn't about me, it is about Davy and him being blamed for a business decision that was made. However, some here assume Davy calls all the shots and I'll tell you, I'm not even sure of that. Is anyone here aware of that fact? If so, then please tell me that it was his decision alone and I'll make sure to put him in a headlock and give him some noogies in Philly when I see him! wink

MLTE (Much Love To Everyone),

Roy

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

Remember what Jackie Moon said, EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY! cool

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

BluesMan wrote:
bigjeffjones wrote:
BluesMan wrote:

  Rev. Paul,

I think we're fighting a losing battle here because, some just want to find fault with others no matter what or who it is. You see, you and I have both met Davy and gotten to know him a little. We've seen how he treats everyone; from his fans to the band to the guys that support him on the road. And I must say this, which I'm sure I've said before, you will not meet a kinder, more humble, more gracious man (not just young man) anywhere on this planet. At least, I haven't thus far.

Roy

What battle, Roy?  This is not about you.  I would feel the same about personal Integrity if it was you, Joe or myself or my best friend.  I stated quite clearly that I would wait and see.  There is no finding fault.  It happened. 

Smart people sometimes make stupid moves.  It doesn't make them stupid.  Good people make bad moves; doesn't make them bad.

I base my opinion on my experience, strength & hope.  It's all I have.  Rocket and I both gave thoughtful answers and observations without condemning the man.  I've seen this music biz scenario before.  More than once.  It's not about starting a fight.  It is a CONCERN. 

Duncan for the most part there's not a lot of backbiting going on.  You have helped actually make my point.  I don't care if I go see him or not.  What I said is I don't get it.  Ansley, Joe, BigJeff, Davy, Roy or Duncan...you have a committment, honor it.  I don't get what makes it OK.

It is simple economics.  Short run or long run. 

MuchLove
Funky Dr of Love


Correcto Mundo Big Jeff a/k/a Funky Dr of Love a/k/a BJJ, it isn't about me, it is about Davy and him being blamed for a business decision that was made. However, some here assume Davy calls all the shots and I'll tell you, I'm not even sure of that. Is anyone here aware of that fact? If so, then please tell me that it was his decision alone and I'll make sure to put him in a headlock and give him some noogies in Philly when I see him! wink

MLTE (Much Love To Everyone),

Roy

ATTABOY!  big_smile

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

Deezer wrote:

But in the end, if Davy keeps making kick-arse music, I doubt this will be a big deal.

Exactly! we'll wait and see. 

NAH peace out and a ho ho ho dammit lol

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Re: BDS/Roll Away vs. Roll On

The Los Lonley Boys canceled several dates that were already on the books before their Grammy win. Guess what they canceled those $1,500 gigs for the potential paydays being the flavor of the month brings. No concern for those promoters that booked the nobody's they were and hoped something might happen to sell some tickets. Guess what it did.

Well the Boys aint the flavor no more. Kind of got too big for the britches and now are doing some gigs at casinos. Whatever. I lost some respect for them. Haven't bought any of there other stuff. You make choices and there are consequences. I don't think they care about me nor do I care about them.

How does that relate to HAB and Davey. Too me it doesn't. I didn't buy tix in hopes of seeing him. He didn't dissapoint. He made a decision that I thought was bound to happen changing bands. He had an opportunity to advance his career. He wasn't a headliner of the show. He got a better offer. He decided to take it. He dissapointed a few fans that were at his core. He is the kind of guy that I don't think scandal will follow around. He seems to be a pretty earthy guy. I think his fans will forgive him and move on.

I do believe that an opening slot for a band like Chickenfoot does help progress the career. Only if you have that wow factor. I still haven't seen that. I think the people that would of seen him at HAB would of been more likely to become that core fanbase. The Chickenfoot crowd most likely came fashionably late saw one song. Looked at each other and said not bad and didn't give him another thought.

Festivals is where you discover new artists. Opening acts play to a disinterested crowd. Just how I feel about it. Didn't alway feel that way. Just do now. Still it plays a part in building that core fanbase so you have to do them and don't blame Davey a bit for choosing to do it.

I would like to see the new band and give him another chance to grab me. Like I said I do like the new album better than the first one.

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AHHHH, Jim, a modicum of moderation smile is better than a plethora of pontifications lol !!!

Rock On & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

Roy, keep up the good works!  ROY WEISMAN, the man who works FOR AND WITH Joe Bonamasssa, knowing whose name is on the proverbial line when it is or isn't dotted. Roy wise guy, I AM JOKING, perhaps a wedgie is in order? lol

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jim m wrote:

I would like to see the new band and give him another chance to grab me. Like I said I do like the new album better than the first one.

Excellent words Jim, especially the one that you used describing Davy as "earthy". He is an earthy guy who is grouded by two parents that raised both him and his sister with plenty of Love. That warmth that you immediately sense when you meet him can't be learned, it's there at someone's core. Don't take my word for it either; I've seen time and again perople walk away from meeting Davy for the first time saying, "What a wonderful young man!" And also I, like you, prefer the second album to the first with the exception of the song "Stay". That kind of song only comes around once in a great while. Similar for me to Joe's "Mountain Time", only a different subject matter. smile

Roy

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I think Jim makes a really good point.....I've talked to many that went to see Chickenfoot, with the exception of my neighbor who actually saw Davys set, no one barely remembered Davy. I really think my neighbors were just being kind to me. I told them the kid was coming to SF and I could introduce then to him, it went one one ear and out the other. My neice and her husband said they only remember a kid with brown hair, they were to busy socializing with friends to pay attention. I know many a time I have ignored the opening act, to busy getting my suds to care. Was missing that festival a mistake, I'll take someone who's walked the walk as a promoter. Yes, it's very true The LLB are playing in very small venues where tix are dirt cheap, and their music quality is pretty bad from the last time I saw them. I swear they were just there for a paycheck, and gave no time for even a decent sound check, and this place has been incredible in the past.
Hey I'm just a simpleton, but I know crap when I hear it.

my 2 cents

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Not trying to turn this to a Hate on LLB's thread. Their career choices and life choices since the Grammy award have not had the best results. It does go to show that slow and steady is better than overnight success. They exploded with their hit album but what have they done since then. The world is littered with one hit wonders.

Davey is a young guy who hasn't been chewed up by the music industry and spit out yet. I don't know much about his label. I do know that he has caught the attention of one of the best booking agencies out there. He has Frampton who took an interest. The old paradigm of a label breaking an artist by getting airplay and coosh opening act slots are over. There will be a limit to how long these industry people will help push Davey's career along. Hopefully they are in it for the long haul.

I think his career has legs he just better be prepared to pace himself for a marathon and realize that if it happens fast it can end fast. Build that core fanbase and be willing to say no to some things that look like opportunities but are really just diversions. He is lucky to have the fans like the ones here. Those are the fans that will stick with you through the ebbs and flows of a career.

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jim m wrote:

The Los Lonley Boys canceled several dates that were already on the books before their Grammy win. Guess what they canceled those $1,500 gigs for the potential paydays being the flavor of the month brings. No concern for those promoters that booked the nobody's they were and hoped something might happen to sell some tickets. Guess what it did.

Well the Boys aint the flavor no more. Kind of got too big for the britches and now are doing some gigs at casinos. Whatever. I lost some respect for them. Haven't bought any of there other stuff. You make choices and there are consequences. I don't think they care about me nor do I care about them.

How does that relate to HAB and Davey. Too me it doesn't. I didn't buy tix in hopes of seeing him. He didn't dissapoint. He made a decision that I thought was bound to happen changing bands. He had an opportunity to advance his career. He wasn't a headliner of the show. He got a better offer. He decided to take it. He dissapointed a few fans that were at his core. He is the kind of guy that I don't think scandal will follow around. He seems to be a pretty earthy guy. I think his fans will forgive him and move on.

I do believe that an opening slot for a band like Chickenfoot does help progress the career. Only if you have that wow factor. I still haven't seen that. I think the people that would of seen him at HAB would of been more likely to become that core fanbase. The Chickenfoot crowd most likely came fashionably late saw one song. Looked at each other and said not bad and didn't give him another thought.

Festivals is where you discover new artists. Opening acts play to a disinterested crowd. Just how I feel about it. Didn't alway feel that way. Just do now. Still it plays a part in building that core fanbase so you have to do them and don't blame Davey a bit for choosing to do it.

I would like to see the new band and give him another chance to grab me. Like I said I do like the new album better than the first one.


When I left/asked to leave the LLB forum, I told everybody there that if LLB continued the way they were continuing, they would become nobodies, and that Joe Bonamassa would be the one to stand the test of time because of his smart business decisions. Time has proven me right. I love LLB, I've bought all of their releases (and enjoy them immensely) but I think anyone can see in the 4-5 years since where LLB is and where Joe is, and who has made the most improvement in gaining an audience.

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A funny thing I've noticed about differing opinions online, the written word, is that they seem to go on forever. Its all good.  I also think that if we were all together that its quite possible that this conversation would have lasted all of 30 seconds:

Roy:  Hey Jack, what do you think of Back Door Slam?

Jack:  I think they suck.

Roy:  No way, they're great, did you know that Davy is a real nice guy?

Jack:  No.

Roy:  Well he is and I like him. You should give them another listen.

Jack:  Maybe.......Hey lets go get another beer.

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