Topic: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

Hey all, JBWM here down at JoeHQ.

Some of you might have noticed that we're very laissez faire about this forum, letting the fans do their own thing on here without management spoiling the fun. But we've received a few reports of bugs on the forum. We are going to try to do what we can to fix them, but like I said a few years back, this forum was built so long ago that there hasn't been an update or patch available in many, many years. We literally can't fix things when they break.

We wanted to upgrade the forums to something a bit more 2019 with new features and built on a more stable platform, but the overwhelming response we got from you all was "NO CHANGES" - so with that understood, we're very sorry if we can't fix certain bugs, but we do want to hear about them. Same goes from requested features.

We're also going to try to stay a bit more on top of Spam flags, so keep those coming when you see them as well.

With that said, what kind of bugs are we having right now? And would anyone be interested in us moving the forums to a new system that is more stable with better features, but might be at the risk of losing some old posts, or having some downtime or having to make new accounts? Just taking a poll.

Thanks,
JBWM and the J&R Team

2 (edited by DougH 2019-03-09 11:16:29)

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My computer is getting the MySQL error and can't see the forum at all on my computer

Phone is ok buy I haven't logged out of my phone like my desktop.

I'm on a great guitar forum they moved to a new platform dec 2017, but even this weekend they're down for the weekend on a major upgrade and server replacement.

Go for the down time.
#makeJBonamassaForumGreatAgain

Just bring us into 2019

[Edit: it was that stupid color scheme you picked that sucked a few years ago that everyone hated]

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

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I access here from my I phone.
I have not had any issues for a long time.
I am not against changes if it is better for the long term.

Your rock candy baby
Your hard sweet and sticky

Re: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

JBWM wrote:

Hey all, JBWM here down at JoeHQ.

Some of you might have noticed that we're very laissez faire about this forum, letting the fans do their own thing on here without management spoiling the fun. But we've received a few reports of bugs on the forum. We are going to try to do what we can to fix them, but like I said a few years back, this forum was built so long ago that there hasn't been an update or patch available in many, many years. We literally can't fix things when they break.

We wanted to upgrade the forums to something a bit more 2019 with new features and built on a more stable platform, but the overwhelming response we got from you all was "NO CHANGES" - so with that understood, we're very sorry if we can't fix certain bugs, but we do want to hear about them. Same goes from requested features.

We're also going to try to stay a bit more on top of Spam flags, so keep those coming when you see them as well.

With that said, what kind of bugs are we having right now? And would anyone be interested in us moving the forums to a new system that is more stable with better features, but might be at the risk of losing some old posts, or having some downtime or having to make new accounts? Just taking a poll.

Thanks,
JBWM and the J&R Team

Yeah upgrade cheers Ron

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I vote upgrade.  Over the years it has been pretty frustrating not being able to fix or enhance the site.  Thanks.

"To repeat a good thing is to sit still; to take a chance is to grow." - Joe Bonamassa
I need some Joe...NOW.
Joe = Joy

6 (edited by Jane H. 2019-03-10 11:07:19)

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Hi JBWM. Thanks for the post etc.
I am not sure how I want to vote in the poll. (BTW everyone, you can see the poll if you are logged in)
I'm grateful for the consideration though.
my first instinct is to not change but I am not naive that I don't know the technology is old. Thats about as far as my tech knowledge goes though. Please also bear with me with my descriptions, I don't know if using proper terminology.
I'm not sure what other comments you have received regarding bugs etc but I try to only report to the office when I notice something, to let y'all know rather than complain.

I don't recall exactly what you refer to with no changes being requested from us but I do remember some jamesrossadvertising username making things black and red and that wasn't preferable to many of us. So I think maybe it might have seemed like we had more information at that time than we actually did. Again I am not sure what feedback y'all get beyond whats commented on here or to me. And I am not at all bringing up the other site from about ten years ago - I think maybe before you worked there - it was full of serious security issues and there was much confusion and misunderstanding of feedback in that era. That doesn't sound to be part of this current discussion but if it is that is a whole other discussion IMHO.


The specific bugs I know of - one older one from last year or so, the security cert. IIRC it expired and someone fixed it but some of us still had problems getting in...I had to allow an exception via my internet security at the time and others tell me when their phone updates operating system they get error again. I noticed when I am logged in the padlock in the browser address bar is green but if not logged in it is orange/yellow with a line through it.I think when that happened a while back I got a message saying it was a self certified cert or something and perhaps and extra step was needed so that it wouldn't be a flag for certain internet security programs but I am not positive. For whatever that's worth.


The issue a couple weeks ago was odd...myself and a few others noticed some posts go missing. recent posts that were from within a few days of posting but they'd be there then not be there then be there then gone. nothing critical but very odd and a new occurrence.


At same time on my tablet - i get this message when going to forum via bookmark
"This PHP environment doesn't have MySQL support built in. My SQL support is required if you want to use a MySQL database to run this forum. Consult the PHP documentation for further assistance"
i still get that error via tablet but on lap top and pc i first had to go thru main site link to get here for a couple days but now can get via bookmark.


New users are finding their way here so that is a plus in terms of bugs IMHO.


My thoughts on upgrade or not have to do with many factors, and my personal memories of the history of the Joe Bonamassa forum.
Number one reason I am not favoring an upgrade is the possibility of losing content. I have been aware of the chance it could all go poof for years anyway and I will save some stuff in case it does.
part of the beauty of this place compared to other types of social media is that it is more easily referenced...the office can post info for the fans for reference etc.
Everything Joe had contributed over the years....show reviews etc. none of it critical though I guess. So much of it is personal to me and I am trying to not let that affect my feedback to you but its hard. I do recognize that though.

Its just not clear to me the importance of the history to Joe and J&R and I would yield my preference to that of course.
I'm not against new better features but beyond fixing potential security problems, I don't personally need any. I like being able to have discussions here easily as opposed to instagram etc. Many many over the years have hoped to be able to post photos in the messages but that does not mean a great deal to me personally. and its become obvious that this is a more comfortable type of platform than other types of social media for some of us, of various ages too, but obviously we are in the minority. I don't think upgrades are inherently improvements in all ways but if necessary for it to work safely than yeah.


I was told and under the impression otherwise that the original forum - before this version - was somewhat a promotional thing  but also became a 'home' to many of us including Joe, over the years. It was the first thing we'd check in the morning and throughout the day. Before facebook etc. and now with instagram where Joe has thousands of likes within minutes of posting...its obviously not the same for all of us.
It still has some features instagram and facebook and twitter don't have so I think it has value beyond my personal attachment to it. I am eternally grateful for the friendships this forum has afforded me over the years. Eternally grateful!!!


As far as an upgrade, I am not completely opposed bit it isnt clear also if J&R might want to use it in more of a marketing/promotional way. if it became so popular that lots more users would be active on its going to need more attention from the office etc to keep under control
I'm happy to continue to volunteer to help moderate and I know other fans would do the same but I keep it to deleting spam and any very terrible posts. The low activity now makes that manageable and I am glad to help to be able to preserve this place and not have it be a burden in time and cost to J&R. If it get an upgrade and a push say via email newsletter it seems like it could become a bigger thing that requires more office attention and I don't have any way to gauge that now to best respond to the poll.


If we could get an upgrade to prevent the place from being hacked etc without much in terms of resource commitment from J&R I am all for that as my fears the historical content will be gone will remain anyhow due to old technology.


So I will work on saving some content here as its important to me and keep thinking on how I personally feel about an upgrade. Knowing what it means to J&R could help in trying to decide that but without more info I  just ask for a little time to work on copying some old posts and ask for some sort of advance notice before any potential upgrade or down time.

I'm also curious how much of a security risk it is to not upgrade.


Thanks!!!!

Re: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

No problem, do what needs doing, just keep it user friendly.

Lester..

He took it all too far,
but boy, could he play guitar.

Re: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

Do whatever, it doesn't matter anymore.

9 (edited by NickelWound 2019-03-10 22:54:48)

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On the subject of upgrades or updates I would really like to see a separate subject heading 'Musicians Forum'.

While Joe's guitars amps and gear is cool, musicians really have no place to talk about their own gear, show their pedal boards, put up videos of them playing the blues or Joe's music or whatever. All we have is the 'Other Artists' spot and I believe we lost a budding bass player who wanted some help from the forum to decide what gear to buy because he couldn't find his post (I realize some answers have to get moved but perhaps the noobs don't know).

Anyhow if you guys could introduce a 'Musicians Forum' in here that would be fantastic. And maybe it might bring back some of the great musicians that were once on here.

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You're correct, when the star of his own forum hasn't been here in 6yrs, its amazing the forum is still going with all 5 of us

reo l wrote:

Do whatever, it doesn't matter anymore.

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

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If you log into the forum, it is possible to vote within the original post, this option is not available without logging in.
Only seven forum members have voted which possibly means many aren’t aware of this voting option.

Lester

He took it all too far,
but boy, could he play guitar.

Re: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

I can not see what you are talking about. What voting? where? It is not visible on my computer.

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reo l wrote:

I can not see what you are talking about. What voting? where? It is not visible on my computer.

Must be one of the bugs.

He took it all too far,
but boy, could he play guitar.

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It showed as a separate topic which disappeared after you voted. big_smile

Come on the Blades (sorry Idolbone just had to borrow your line)

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I guess you can see the results after you vote. I'm still undecided so I haven't voted yet.
FWIW its in JBWM's original post in this thread, visible ONLY when you are logged in.

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Oh I read the notes, and just "fixed" my issues as suggested for the
"This PHP environment doesn't have MySQL support built in. My SQL support is required if you want to use a MySQL database to run this forum. Consult the PHP documentation for further assistance"

I deleted my  book mark in my browser, went to the main JB site, clicked Official Forum.. and poof my computer is back on the forum again.. and I resaved the book mark.

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(If only I had 1% of Joe's guitar talent)

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So far only 11 have voted. Update is winning. Thought more would take part though. It doesn't send the best message for the forums value! sad

Come on the Blades (sorry Idolbone just had to borrow your line)

18 (edited by BansheeUK 2019-03-13 07:53:15)

Re: Forum Update, Bugs, Spam and Requests

NickelWound wrote:

On the subject of upgrades or updates I would really like to see a separate subject heading 'Musicians Forum'.

While Joe's guitars amps and gear is cool, musicians really have no place to talk about their own gear, show their pedal boards, put up videos of them playing the blues or Joe's music or whatever. All we have is the 'Other Artists' spot and I believe we lost a budding bass player who wanted some help from the forum to decide what gear to buy because he couldn't find his post (I realize some answers have to get moved but perhaps the noobs don't know).

Anyhow if you guys could introduce a 'Musicians Forum' in here that would be fantastic. And maybe it might bring back some of the great musicians that were once on here.

Agree with the idea: maybe lose the Introductions (not all newbies us it) and Old Topics hasn't been touched since 2015. Just don't get too carried away.... wink

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