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I e enjoyed the videos posted by fellow forum members too.
Just throwing an idea out off the top of my head.Would there be a way to down load those videos into a channel run by Joe ?

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gary wrote:

I e enjoyed the videos posted by fellow forum members too.
Just throwing an idea out off the top of my head.Would there be a way to down load those videos into a channel run by Joe ?

I was wondering about something like that, too, Gary!

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BarbieD wrote:
gary wrote:

I e enjoyed the videos posted by fellow forum members too.
Just throwing an idea out off the top of my head.Would there be a way to down load those videos into a channel run by Joe ?

I was wondering about something like that, too, Gary!

A lot are already on Joe’s JBTV channel. I know many of mine were when I was actively taping. Sometimes the w/m would give credit, others not.

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RickB wrote:
BarbieD wrote:
gary wrote:

I e enjoyed the videos posted by fellow forum members too.
Just throwing an idea out off the top of my head.Would there be a way to down load those videos into a channel run by Joe ?

I was wondering about something like that, too, Gary!

A lot are already on Joe’s JBTV channel. I know many of mine were when I was more actively taping. Sometimes the w/m would give credit, others not.

Free download from Vienna! http://mbsy.co/bNLR
Lots of unique videos of Joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwd5vL8fXTw
Buy Joe's merchandise here. http://www.jbonamassa.com/affiliates/id … hp?id=1381

23 (edited by NickelWound 2018-05-01 17:53:06)

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nmagcorn wrote:

J&R has every right to go after people who take their official music and reupload it to make money off of it. Even though I don't make any money off of my stuff I have gone after countless people on youtube for reuploading my material. Unfortunately I don't trust youtube to always know the difference between official releases that are live and unofficial live videos. Youtube is a huge company that runs on computer algorithms and it's very hard to get strikes removed even if they were put on by mistake. So therefore I will be removing most of my Joe content from my channel. I don't want to run the risk of losing my channel and the music by other artists who are on it.


DISASTER! For the isolated among us Natasha was one of the few ways we could keep up with Joe. For the low income among us it was a way to see shows or parts of shows and then go out and buy the CD or DVD. I can't imagine how many DVD's or CD's I've bought because of Natasha's Channel....

Secondly, and this will create a firestorm I'm sure, I understand the offensiveness of rip offs and scoundrels making money off Joe's work and it is against the law and disgusting and an abuse of everything imaginable. I have had illustrations I created ripped off and used elsewhere so am all to familiar with the concept. However my drawings NEVER appeared without a copyright notice so as an artist Joe's work is absolutely copyright. What drives me CRAZY!!?.... is that for a lot of the up and coming artists the copyright was waived in favor of distribution. Joe is just one of the latest in a long string of artists who used YouTube, Napster, whoever (monetized or not) to get known, to get their work out there, and now that they are household names, want to cut off the very hand that made them known. I am not talking here about CD's DVD's or otherwise released material that we can buy. But what about the Blues cruises and those performances?

As mentioned in an above post the 'Pain and Sorrow @ Tangier' (I think that's where it was) is iconic and suddenly Joe who? became someone to really, really take notice of. So on the one hand I'm glad whenever an artist owns and regulates the distribution of their own work. But when the network used to distribute and get that artist know was done with full knowledge of the copyright infringement, I confess I'm a lot less sympathetic.

24 (edited by reo l 2018-05-01 20:44:36)

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cindyron wrote:
samjp4 wrote:

Something else bothering me about this is the fact that so much of Joe's earlier history will be lost.  People are scared that a computer is going to swoop in and destroy years and years of hard or rare work, much of it by people who filmed Joe when hardly anyone knew who he was, and as a result I am guessing some very classic videos will disappear (think Pain and Sorrow at Tangiers or Reconsider Baby).  Linda's suggestion that some type of warning be given - remove the video or get a strike - is a good one.  I don't have a lot of videos on youtube but I don't want to lose any of them.I took down all but two of them today as a precaution.  It is the artist's prerogative to choose what he wants to allow but I just find it so sad that the ones who play by the rules get caught up in the mess caused by the naughty ones.  I don't think anyone on here has ever monetized any of their videos-it has always been a labor of love.

Peace,

Sandy

Well I suspect and hope the young ones and those that are not far evolved in their career can still use fan videos. They truly help the not so known talent. Then they reach a point I think that fan videos start to hurt as their career blossoms.  When they are able to capitalize on their hard work by having DVD’s and pro photos and vids they should be able to do that but our fan videos then get in the way. To me that’s a good sign it means all the fan videos have helped them so now they can reap all the rewards. It’s up to us to realize that and start backing off. A very good thing exspecially the way the music industry is or should I say isn’t.


Just a little note here: everything available on the internet right now for free on the day it's being officially released, so elimination of fan videos are not going to make people buy DVDs and CDs, only love and respect for the musicians  and their work.

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I think its important to note that J & R aren't attempting to disallow fan audience vids...it just is the risk from having them on youtube where they are trying to protect the studio releases. Just saying, the way i read some of the replies it didnt seem that was clear?
again yes sad unintended circumstances
I can't imagine the '03s Pain and Sorrows "Taking the Hit" but i really don't know how it all works...esp cause they are quite a bit different than the Borderline dvd.....this whole thing did hit me a little different reading you post Sandy and the thought of it! yikes
It does bring to mind for me how fast the world changes these days. I can't imagine being in the biz..and really don't know how they do it....over the years I have learned a lot about change and adapting from J & R...

26 (edited by gary 2018-05-01 22:04:01)

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It’s a crazy world.Anyone remember Joe mentioning he went outside a show and took a t shirt from an unauthorized person selling Joe B t shirts?
It is a complicated biz and I hope it doesn’t mean the end of fan videos from the past or in the future being available on YouTube or some other place for instant access.

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Your hard sweet and sticky

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I am so naive in business or internet, so just going to fantasize here without any actual knowledge. Maybe it is all being done in preparation for big launching of Joe's guitar channel? Maybe they going to have a fan video area there but it still going to be under Joe? And maybe Natasha and Linda could have a possibility to upload videos there, like have their own subchannel?

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J&R said fan videos are ok.
so is it a bit of over reaction by some of the 'fan channels' pulling down every video up there?
or did YouTube start hitting fan videos too?

I guess it would be hard for YouTube to 'really' figure out what was what... esp if you have a 'extra' large channel that looks professional.

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I do not think that is at all the case with J & R. This is only my opinion and interpretation....
They are trying to protect their official releases, some of which are live dvd/cds.
While I agree that yes good quality full shows can be a deterrent to a fan buying the official release, Joe has been quite clear that he does allow audience recording. He hasn't posted here in a while about it but he has told me personally and this forum, that if there is a change to that they will let us know here.

They haven't changed their policy they merely have decided to not continue to allow those already going against it to continue un-hindered.
I am glad for the update here by JBWM. That update does not say they are disallowing live audience (not proshot etc.) vids. I have heard that  they have asked some of the regular tapers with good quality to refrain from uploading new songs or sets that haven't yet but are planned to be released officially. (ex. songs on upcoming album, the mini acoustic tour etc.)
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Joe has allowed taping and sharing since WELL before youtube where we had to mail each other to share...
I do still think this situation is sad and I can imagine so does J & R. Surely they'd rather not have to spend the time and other resources on this, or to upset long time fans, prevent new ones who may have been gained from now missing audience vids., etc. And knowing that Joe does support other artists esp. upcoming ones, its also a shame that some of those artists won't get the notoriety they may by being on the same channel as Joe vids (youtube suggestions have led me to many artists I wasn't familiar with) They can only control what they can, not youtube...

I get some of the posts but again I have never personally seen Joe's generous taping policy to have been intended for his promotion. Its seemed like that was also something of an not directly intended circumstance ( esp. at first). Heck back before youtube...as fan based street teamers we knew some of those recording were not necessarily good for promotion (quality) and we'd be careful of recordings to share to help get new fans, if that makes sense. Sure Joe has gained many fans from the youtube vids but, because of his early allowing of the taping, I do not think it was intended to 'use' any of the tapers or what not.

I've actually been surprised they have allowed those who have uploaded official releases to have done so without recourse for so long. Its apples and oranges IMO
I believe his philosophy is different than what you are indicating.  Again this is strictly my opinion but Joe's taping policy has been dear to my heart since 2003 and I take great care to understand and follow it the best I can, to protect it in any way possible.
I do see though how some live vids can prevent progress and profit for artists and even Joe. Other artists sure but as reo has pointed out before....you simply can not compare Joe to other artists.
JBWM's post remains for review.

31 (edited by DougH 2018-05-02 12:56:45)

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JBWM wrote:

Video you filmed yourself with your own camera (from the audience) are still totally fine.


-JBWM

Note on original posting

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Yes...to further clarify part of the dilemma for tapers though, the way I understand is Natasha and others have more than Joe vids on the channel. If they risk losing their channel because youtube may give a strike incorrectly, that is for a Joe vid that is similar to but not the same as the official release, then it puts the vids of other artists on their channel (most of which are in more need of positive publicity the vids may bring) in jeopardy. The time that it took to upload can not be regained...so it was a hard heartbreaking decision for her as she has noted, but a calculated one. just my observation but hoping to make sure we are all on the same page with J & R's taping policy.

33 (edited by nmagcorn 2018-05-18 11:06:18)

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DougH wrote:
JBWM wrote:

Video you filmed yourself with your own camera (from the audience) are still totally fine.


-JBWM

Note on original posting

Theoretically that seems fine, however I have talked with the JBWM, and he told me "YouTube has told us that it identifies based on an exact waveform that will likely be very different from a live version". It's the word "likely" that bothers me. Especially considering they are going after people who have uploaded from their official live DVD/CD. What makes my live version of any song any different than their live version if it is only based on sound. And who knows how much of the sound needs to be identified and matched before it is striked. Is it the whole song, 30 seconds worth, a minute. It's not worth the risk and therefore 1,200 videos have been deleted.

34 (edited by reo l 2018-05-02 17:07:58)

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nmagcorn wrote:
DougH wrote:
JBWM wrote:

Video you filmed yourself with your own camera (from the audience) are still totally fine.


-JBWM

Note on original posting

Theoretically that seems fine, however I have talked with Scott, the JBWM, and he told me "YouTube has told us that it identifies based on an exact waveform that will likely be very different from a live version". It's the word "likely" that bothers me. Especially considering they are going after people who have uploaded from their official live DVD/CD. What makes my live version of any song any different than their live version if it is only based on sound. And who knows how much of the sound needs to be identified and matched before it is striked. Is it the whole song, 30 seconds worth, a minute. It's not worth the risk and therefore 1,200 videos have been deleted.

So Natasha  * panic mode ON * - does it mean that you are not going to film and post any more of future Joe's videos on your channel? maybe you could create a second channel ( 2AnitrasDance?) just for JOE's videos ? This way the other artist's videos will stay safe and sound if youtube will ever decide to go after you?

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nmagcorn wrote:

...1,200 videos have been deleted.


sad  But I completely understand. Thank you Natasha and hubby for everything.

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+1

NickelWound wrote:
nmagcorn wrote:

...1,200 videos have been deleted.


sad  But I completely understand. Thank you Natasha and hubby for everything.