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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I'll start by saying I love all Joe. wink I was drawn to him like a moth to light when I heard/saw him play. The guitar got me and still holds me. Then I fell in love with his voice. I've been around long enough to watch it bloom. I remember writing a show review here, where I commented on how brilliant his voice had gotten. All the hard work payed off.
I've also always championed his covers. I think it's a public service to bring great work back into the light. There are many whose only talent is songwriting. Don't get me wrong now, I enjoy Joe's originals. I love some of them. But, except for a few, he's written because it was the task at hand. Time to write, so he'd sit down and write. He's talented enough to make that happen.
I don't know if Joe will become a songwriter like Warren Haynes. I don't care if he doesn't. Based on the newest venture I'd say he's continuing to grow, and he's still just a pup wink

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

DougH wrote:

ummm
not to 'nit pick' but many in your list above were not written by Joe.


I went to the note liners of the CD's while waiting for work stuff to finish and he's the list.

Travellin' South, Gwendolyn Collins
Around the Bend, joe/Will Jennings
Revenge of the 10 Gallon Hat, Joe
The River, Faux Mantini, Joe
High Water Everywhere, Charley Patton
Palm Trees Helicopters and Gasoline, Joe
Torn Down, Joe/Gregg Sutton
Ball Peen Hammer, Chris Whitley
Dirt in My Pocket, Joe / Jim Huff
Sloe Gin, Bob Ezrin / Micheal Kamen
Black Night, Jessie Mae Robinson
Richmond, Joe / MikeHimeistein
The Ballad of John Henry, Joe
Jockey Full of Bourbon, Tom Waits
The Story of a Quarryman. Joe
Last Kiss, Joe
The Great Flood, Joe
Quarryman's Lament, Joe
Blue and Evil, Joe
Athens to Athens, Joe
Slow Train, Joe/Kevin
Dust Bowl, Joe
Black Lung Heartache,Joe
The Whale That Swallowed Jonah, Joe
Prisoner, Karen Lawrence/John Desautels
Dislocated Boy, Joe
Lonely Town Lonely Street  Micheal Kamen / Tim Curry
and Stones in My Passway Robert Johnson

I wasn't suggesting that Joe had written all of those. I was suggesting that he has written many of my favorites.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I'm a picky person, but I'm also willing to change my initial opinion on things.

DougH nailed it when he said many on the list were not originals from the original post. It's silly someone might target the originals and not the ones that were redone to sound original (not that that was the purpose). I guess it comes down to doing your homework and trusting your ears. Not everybody has to like it.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

i think a great deal of it has to do with folks that simply are suffering popularity backlash about Joe.   let's face it, we as Joe lovers actually go out and spread the Joe gospel on a regular basis.......he gets a lot of attention without virtually any significant radio or video play......so while his following continues to grow and grow its because of devoted followers willing to talk about and recommend Joe to others.

so i think at times the "buzz" surrounding Joe leads to those who just think he is all right or they simply dont like him into being motivated to lash out at him/his followers.

it's human nature to sometimes question internally why someone else LOVES something that you dont get or like.....which sometimes can lead to backlash.

that's something i have never felt but i do understand that exists and can manifest itself in that manner.

and dont ever forget that statistically speaking people are far motivated to go to the trouble to complain about something they dont like than to take the time to participate in forums etc.... about something they do like.

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23 Reply by jbyrd1 (edited by jbyrd1 2014-10-14 14:52:33)

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I think in some cases, it's just different strokes. The internet is a crazy place sometimes where people are much more brave than if it were face to face.

I love Joe and his work, both original, and covers. He has been a driving force for me to learn and expand my own playing. I even went out and bought a guitar he used to own (JOE B 114 W.W. run), then, I bought an aged Skinner. I love the guitars, but I'll be honest, I bought them because I have seen him play them live, and it made them that much more special to me. As close as I'll ever get! LOL

All of that said, I'm not the type to sling hate on the internet, so I'll usually just go by the mantra "if you don't have anything nice to say, then...".

I have seen Joe a dozen times, but for purposes of the thread, I'll admit, I'm not a fan of EVERYTHING that he does, but it isn't due to Joe. For example, the Beth Hart projects.....I love what Joe does, but Beth's voice grinds on me after a few songs with that fast vibrato. It's great for a song or two, but..... I feel the same way about Susan Tedeschi. Not a fan where her I have to here her sing a whole album.

I also don't care much at all for the RCFP. As a musician, I can appreciate the level of musicianship that is going on, but, I just don't like that "jam band" type music. Not my cup of tea no matter who is playing it.  Nothing to do with Joe, just the genre I guess.

The only reason I bring that stuff up here is to show that in some cases, it's not just about being a hater. How you word things is important. There are just some flat out jealous jerks on the net who couldn't care less about anything they say or who they offend, that much is true.

As for the rest, it's what makes the world go round....as I said, different strokes.

24 Reply by rocknblues81 (edited by rocknblues81 2014-10-15 03:12:58)

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Here is a perfect example:

http://www.amazon.com/Different-Shades- … ewpoints=0

It seems that a lot of these haters are metal head guitar wanking types that are from California.


It's like, dude... Randy Rhoads had been dead for decades. It's not 1983 anymore. Get over it.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I mean - yeah, that was a lousy review by someone who clearly needs to vent (which underneath is most likely about something other than music) - but also notice there are a total of 4 negative reviews, and what, 94 positive ones?

The internet always draws out a few nasty people, but I think most people tend to be decent. Best to leave them be.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Is Joe a Lennon or McCartney?  No (at least not yet).  Does he write good songs that I listen to a lot and really enjoy?  Yes.

The only reason I bring that stuff up here is to show that in some cases, it's not just about being a hater. How you word things is important

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

rocknblues81 wrote:

Here is a perfect example:

http://www.amazon.com/Different-Shades- … ewpoints=0

It seems that a lot of these haters are metal head guitar wanking types that are from California.


It's like, dude... Randy Rhoads had been dead for decades. It's not 1983 anymore. Get over it.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

It really irritates me too when I see posts where people complain about Joe making money. He has always been gracious to his fans with meet and greets, and after show signings. He has thanked his fans every time I have seen him play, and he worked his way to the top. So what if he makes money! He should! So should anyone that has that level of talent. To me, that's how you can tell when it really is just a jealous jerk....as soon as the money line comes out.

I don't ever mind paying the ticket price for Joe and his band. they deserve every penny!

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

jbyrd1 wrote:

It really irritates me too when I see posts where people complain about Joe making money. He has always been gracious to his fans with meet and greets, and after show signings. He has thanked his fans every time I have seen him play, and he worked his way to the top. So what if he makes money! He should! So should anyone that has that level of talent. To me, that's how you can tell when it really is just a jealous jerk....as soon as the money line comes out.

I don't ever mind paying the ticket price for Joe and his band. they deserve every penny!

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

If they are beyond rude, I delete the comment.It irks me every time though because of their holie there are still so many songs that I, along with other  fans.

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31 Reply by hulldanfan (edited by hulldanfan 2014-10-16 08:43:19)

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Am I reading the same post ?

I don't see any dissing of BCC at all. In fact the exact opposite !

The only comment that can be perceived as dissing of Joe himself is the quip about the Money.  But lets face it, all artists are in it to make money.  Of all the bands around, I can only think of Kiss who have more non-music based 'Merchandising' than Joe.

Who else produces branded flip-flops, Bobble-Heads, Phone cases, Blankets, Shot Glasses, Fridge Magnets, Coasters, Jigsaws, Beach Balls etc?   You can say that they help marketing, but at the end of the day, they are to make money.  Not saying its a bad thing at all, but it could be perceived as being OTT.

The kid also says he's seen Joe over 15 times, well how can that be against Joe?

He thinks Randy Rhoads was a better guitarist, well that shouldn't be a crime.  His impact in a short career was immense and he would have no doubt achieved similar status to Page, Clapton and Jimi had he lived.   I suspect that a great many posters on here think other guitarists are 'better', but would not say that on this forum.

Don't get too sensitive over these things.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

gary wrote:
rocknblues81 wrote:

Here is a perfect example:

http://www.amazon.com/Different-Shades- … ewpoints=0

It seems that a lot of these haters are metal head guitar wanking types that are from California.


It's like, dude... Randy Rhoads had been dead for decades. It's not 1983 anymore. Get over it.

(
Those metal head wankering types are always causing problems.
We will have to call on Rick to take care of those in Cali and Rocket if he's up to it!The
Bona army special street team forces!


I don't see the issue here. This fella is hardly full of piss and vinegar, he's only expressing an opinion. Whilst many of us will disagree with his view, he's still entitled to it - and he still appreciates much of Joe's abilities, if not his song writing.

As for Randy Rhodes being dead for ages, so has been Freddie King - that doesn't make him any less of a legend.

Live and let live... and relax guys.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

cindyron wrote:
Big.G wrote:
gary wrote:

(
Those metal head wankering types are always causing problems.
We will have to call on Rick to take care of those in Cali and Rocket if he's up to it!The
Bona army special street team forces!


I don't see the issue here. This fella is hardly full of piss and vinegar, he's only expressing an opinion. Whilst many of us will disagree with his view, he's still entitled to it - and he still appreciates much of Joe's abilities, if not his song writing.

As for Randy Rhodes being dead for ages, so has been Freddie King - that doesn't make him any less of a legend.

Live and let live... and relax guys.

Your last line would have served better if you did not even write it. "Live and Let Live....and relax guys" that one line just negated all your positive. Rubs me the wrong way.

Well Ron, I'm sorry you didn't care for it but the sentiment still stands. Just because he's said something that people disagree with doesn't make him a %$%##. This is music we're talking about, different things speak differently to different people.

We will never all agree on what we like best and to me, that's fantastic. It would be a dull old world if we did.

And just to cheer everyone up..... relax!

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34 Reply by DougH (edited by DougH 2014-10-18 07:40:54)

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

as stated pages before.

I went to that one posted Amazon page and looked at the reviews..
it was like 92 -5 star, 13 - 4star, 3-2 star, 1 -2 star and 1- 1star rating.

I read that 1 Star comment.
That comment reads almost identical to a comment we had on this very forum about 2 years ago.
I think it was the guy that come over complaining about BCC and that Joe should drop Joe and stay in BCC. but that's a dead and buried horse now.
but the comments read almost identical.

There was also that one person here on the forum that posted after the Red Rocks tribute that he had no clue that it wasn't Joe's normal tour and walked out, obviously missed the Muddy Wolf tribute slogan's everywhere.

Why do I bring that Red Rock's post up?
well there was something like 10,000 people there (I wasn't sad  ) and even if a half dozen walked out there would 9,996 people listening to what Joe had to offer.

I think this thread has gone far too long.
The original post made it sound like there are thousands out there that do not like Joe (or more correctly Joe's original songs)
I don't see it. (except in the 'pro' and 'semi-pro' reviewer's posts)

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You won't see me at a Kiss concert.. you won't see him at a Joe concert.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Big.G wrote:
cindyron wrote:
Big.G wrote:

I don't see the issue here. This fella is hardly full of piss and vinegar, he's only expressing an opinion. Whilst many of us will disagree with his view, he's still entitled to it - and he still appreciates much of Joe's abilities, if not his song writing.

As for Randy Rhodes being dead for ages, so has been Freddie King - that doesn't make him any less of a legend.

Live and let live... and relax guys.

Your last line would have served better if you did not even write it. "Live and Let Live....and relax guys" that one line just negated all your positive. Rubs me the wrong way.

Well Ron, I'm sorry you didn't care for it but the sentiment still stands. Just because he's said something that people disagree with doesn't make him a %$%##. This is music we're talking about, different things speak differently to different people.

We will never all agree on what we like best and to me, that's fantastic. It would be a dull old world if we did.

And just to cheer everyone up..... relax!

I have no idea what you are talking about. I was only referring to your last remark. "Live and let live guys......relax" of course everyone has their opinion as it should be. So as you said you should relax
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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

gary wrote:
rocknblues81 wrote:

Here is a perfect example:

http://www.amazon.com/Different-Shades- … ewpoints=0

It seems that a lot of these haters are metal head guitar wanking types that are from California.


It's like, dude... Randy Rhoads had been dead for decades. It's not 1983 anymore. Get over it.

(
Those metal head wankering types are always causing problems.
We will have to call on Rick to take care of those in Cali and Rocket if he's up to it!The
Bona army special street team forces!

They like to start **## on youtube also.