Topic: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I've noticed over the last few years that a lot of people tend to take shots at Joe's original material. I've heard several people call him a mediocre songwriter and his good songs tend to be cover songs. I've never understood it because most of my favorite songs are songs that he wrote or co-wrote. For example... Blues Deluxe is one of my least favorite JB albums.

My favorite songs are: Travellin' South, Around the Bend, Revenge of the 10 Gallon Hat, The River, Faux Mantini, High Water Everywhere, Palm Trees Helicopters and Gasoline, Torn Down, Ball Peen Hammer, Dirt in My Pocket, Sloe Gin, Black Night, Richmond, The Ballad of John Henry, Jockey Full of Bourbon, The Story of a Quarryman. Last Kiss, The Great Flood, Quarryman's Lament, Blue and Evil, Athens to Athens, Slow Train, Dust Bowl, Black Lung Heartache, The Whale That Swallowed Jonah, Prisoner, Dislocated Boy, Lonely Town Lonely Street and Stones in My Passway.

I know one of the obvious answers is that everyone has a different opinion, but its always bugged me that many people pretend that his covers are the only good songs he does.

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Well some people in this world and thank god they are in the minority have nothing better to do then slam someone who they wish they could be. I feel sorry for them
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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Yeah agreed with Ron above. Some people are never satisfied with anything, they're always going to be haters out there.

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

There are many unhappy people in the world, and internet comment sections give them a voice that comes across as equal to others. Chances are most people who leave nasty critical comments online don't lead the happiest of lives, and probably have no one that really listens to them in their everyday lives - but with online anonymity, all comments come out, no matter if its from Joe Shmoe in his basement or Pope Francis (my guess would be that His Holiness doesn't frequent YouTube, but you get my point).

Best to ignore them and keep distance. I would say "don't let it bother you" but the truth is, nasty comments are tough to shake. So just ignore them and try not to read - because the second part is, you can't win an argument with them. Not to say you can't corner them with logic and reason and present a better argument, because you can - but 99 out of 100 times they just wont listen, so its wasted effort.

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There certainly are a lot of strange people in the world, and every ones brain seems to be wired differently. Its one thing if you're asked for your opinion, but unsolicited negative comments always rub me the wrong way. Those are the people who most likely lead miserable lives, and instead of lifting themselves up, they'd rather drag everybody else down. As Ron said, I feel sorry for them.

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I come across this in regards to my youtube channel and it isn't with just his original work. Some people just delight in being mean especially in the internet world. When I get nasty comments on one of Joe's videos I occasionally call them on what they are saying and eventually they back down or I let others chime in and set them straight. If they are beyond rude, I delete the comment. It's my channel so I have final say. It irks me every time though because of their holier than thou attitude and the assumptions they make. One guy actually had the nerve to tell me I was just a fan and therefore didn't know any better because I was not a musician. Man, did I let him have it. The audacity of someone assuming they knew about me. (I actually know how to play a couple of instruments). If you think Joe has this happen much, you should check out my video of Orianthi and Sambora together. Wow, if people aren't saying crap about Sambora, then they are saying it about Orianthi. I must admit though, I have pretty much stayed out of the ruckus on that one since I'm not really a fan of either one. I'm much more sensitive when it pertains to Joe. How dare they criticize the musician I love, lol!

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Ditto to what Natasha says. I have the same on my channel, though I don't interject any response other than a warning to be nice or be gone. I have a very short banning fuse and have used it more than a few times on trolls. Since I set that precedent, I've noticed very few now make negative comments which are fine if confined to an opinion and not a general attack. I'm a member of an opera forum and we have the same issues there but that crowd makes hay of them.
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Maybe they have, but I have seen where people actually like both his originals and covers.
Personally, one reason I love Joe is BECAUSE of his original material and his lyrics. I think his lyrics are very well written and the songs have something different to say.  That is a top reason why "The River" is my #1 Joe song.  Because of what I consider very well written lyrics.  They paint a picture of a story and it fits perfectly with the music of "The River".  It's a swampy blues song, and the lyrics definitely paint the horrifying power of losing someone to "The River".

I know another powerful song lyrically that has a lot of meaning for folks is "Asking Around for You"
That is a song that is very touching for a number of people. 

One of my favorite albums is SILT with originals, because they are such great songs musically and lyrically.  Ha Ha, I even use "Takin the Hit" as a football song.  So lyrics can be taken differently. I can see them doing football highlights to that song. 

Out of a lot of artists out here nowadays, I think he is one of the more prolific songwriters.  Joe is talented in so many different ways. 

If they think it is mediocre, I am not going to dismiss it as they are just negative.  I would like to know who they like, how does it compare, and do the artists they recommend write great songs.  It won't change my mind about Joe Bonamassa, because his original songs are Primo to me.  But I am always looking for great lyricists, so I love to know of any great songwriters so I can listen to their music. 

Another thing, not everything is going to be positive.  One major part of the Blues, it is a miserable feeling.  It's a creative, musically way to cleanse your soul.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I have never heard any if his fans here ever downplay his older material.In fact the discussion here usually runs he opposite way here.
I do not get around much to look to see what's being said out there on other forums.
Every one can have an opinion and if they don't like Joe or his earlier works then so be it.
I just wish that those type if comments not be made in an overly rude or profane manner is which I think happens a lot on the net.
Also my 2 cents is that he has constantly written great songs even without the enlisted songwriters.

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10 (edited by ZeyerGTR 2014-10-12 20:45:50)

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

People have different tastes, and different contexts in which they make judgments.  If you're used to the style of writing from Nashville the last 15 years, or classic jazz/showtune standards I can see blues and rock in general (not necessarily just Joe) as not being that "exciting."  Not a lot of changes, simpler lyrics, etc.  It's just the style. I prefer rock and blues, personally, but I respect the hell out of Rogers and Hart and I appreciate how great pro Nashville writers are.  As the kids say "haters gonna hate" - don't worry about them.  Some people don't like Joe, some people don't like Steve Vai, some people don't like The Allman Brothers Band, some people don't like Metallica... whatever, it doesn't change my feelings and doesn't change those artists.

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Most of these people can't even write a song themselves ;-)
I know this doesn't mean they can't tell a good from a bad song, but I really miss the constructive part of criticism in most such comments. All I can say is that I think Joe is a strong enough songwriter himself, so sometimes I wonder about the co-writers being involved. His original songs are very strong and I especially enjoy also songs from the earlier period.

12 (edited by MINI_Zoso 2014-10-13 07:46:01)

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

It is one of Joe's covers that sucked me in to his world.  It is Joe's original works that keep me here wanting more.

Led Zeppelin is my number 1!  "Tea for One" is one of my all time favourites of theirs.  When I came across Joe's version I had to investigate.  Had I not liked it, I would just move on.  It's easy, and I think that is what a rational thinking person does. 

To have the feeling of contempt towards others like these "haters" have is baffling.  To me there seems to be quite an effort required to keep this up.  Why would a person watch, and a lot of the time I believe they don't even watch, a video of a person or artist they clearly don't like, then spend the time bashing them and even arguing with others about it?  They need to move on!  Get a life.  Spend their time on things that are more productive as opposed to making an effort to be disliked by everyone.

I think there is also the opinion that if you are going to put yourself out there like that, in the public eye, on stage, video and such, that you are now some public domain.  That we now have the right to criticise you any way we wish, not to mention photograph you at any time, anywhere and with anyone and publish it everywhere.  That you have given up your right to any privacy (but that is another topic).  It appears as though they have taken this and they are running with it.

Haters, if you don't like it, fine, just move on.  The ones you are criticising are out there "doing it"...what are you doing?



Okay, I'm stepping off my soap box now.  Almost fell off anyway.

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Agreed.  Takes much less time to type too!

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

I was SOOO excited when I heard that Joe was releasing an all original c.d. (other than the Great Jimi's lead in /warm up).  I LOVE all Joe's covers, with MIDNIGHT BLUE being my very favorite.  But I think his very best work is his original stuff.  Granted, there were several  talented Artists that helped co-wrote some of the songs on DSOB.  I am guessing that these are some of the people who inspire as well as help Joe to be a better writer & musician. And I think, Joe's best work is yet to come: MORE original music & lyrics.  I hope Joe continues to do covers too.  There are still so many songs that I, along with other  fans, would like to hear "the Joe-version" of these songs.  As far as the people who take shots @Joe, it is an age, old reason: JEALOUSY.





rocknblues81 wrote:

I've noticed over the last few years that a lot of people tend to take shots at Joe's original material. I've heard several people call him a mediocre songwriter and his good songs tend to be cover songs. I've never understood it because most of my favorite songs are songs that he wrote or co-wrote. For example... Blues Deluxe is one of my least favorite JB albums.

My favorite songs are: Travellin' South, Around the Bend, Revenge of the 10 Gallon Hat, The River, Faux Mantini, High Water Everywhere, Palm Trees Helicopters and Gasoline, Torn Down, Ball Peen Hammer, Dirt in My Pocket, Sloe Gin, Black Night, Richmond, The Ballad of John Henry, Jockey Full of Bourbon, The Story of a Quarryman. Last Kiss, The Great Flood, Quarryman's Lament, Blue and Evil, Athens to Athens, Slow Train, Dust Bowl, Black Lung Heartache, The Whale That Swallowed Jonah, Prisoner, Dislocated Boy, Lonely Town Lonely Street and Stones in My Passway.

I know one of the obvious answers is that everyone has a different opinion, but its always bugged me that many people pretend that his covers are the only good songs he does.

16 (edited by DougH 2014-10-13 15:13:35)

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

ummm
not to 'nit pick' but many in your list above were not written by Joe.


I went to the note liners of the CD's while waiting for work stuff to finish and he's the list.

Travellin' South, Gwendolyn Collins
Around the Bend, joe/Will Jennings
Revenge of the 10 Gallon Hat, Joe
The River, Faux Mantini, Joe
High Water Everywhere, Charley Patton
Palm Trees Helicopters and Gasoline, Joe
Torn Down, Joe/Gregg Sutton
Ball Peen Hammer, Chris Whitley
Dirt in My Pocket, Joe / Jim Huff
Sloe Gin, Bob Ezrin / Micheal Kamen
Black Night, Jessie Mae Robinson
Richmond, Joe / MikeHimeistein
The Ballad of John Henry, Joe
Jockey Full of Bourbon, Tom Waits
The Story of a Quarryman. Joe
Last Kiss, Joe
The Great Flood, Joe
Quarryman's Lament, Joe
Blue and Evil, Joe
Athens to Athens, Joe
Slow Train, Joe/Kevin
Dust Bowl, Joe
Black Lung Heartache,Joe
The Whale That Swallowed Jonah, Joe
Prisoner, Karen Lawrence/John Desautels
Dislocated Boy, Joe
Lonely Town Lonely Street  Micheal Kamen / Tim Curry
and Stones in My Passway Robert Johnson

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Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

Well said my dear.  & what if you DID NOT play an instrument ?  Does that mean a thing ?  Can't you just be a person who LOVES listening to great music with no "musical knowledge" other then it moves  you emotionally or gets your toes tapping or both ???        Keep posting those great vids of Joe 'cause  he's  MY FAVORITE TOO !  <3


nmagcorn wrote:

I come across this in regards to my youtube channel and it isn't with just his original work. Some people just delight in being mean especially in the internet world. When I get nasty comments on one of Joe's videos I occasionally call them on what they are saying and eventually they back down or I let others chime in and set them straight. If they are beyond rude, I delete the comment. It's my channel so I have final say. It irks me every time though because of their holier than thou attitude and the assumptions they make. One guy actually had the nerve to tell me I was just a fan and therefore didn't know any better because I was not a musician. Man, did I let him have it. The audacity of someone assuming they knew about me. (I actually know how to play a couple of instruments). If you think Joe has this happen much, you should check out my video of Orianthi and Sambora together. Wow, if people aren't saying crap about Sambora, then they are saying it about Orianthi. I must admit though, I have pretty much stayed out of the ruckus on that one since I'm not really a fan of either one. I'm much more sensitive when it pertains to Joe. How dare they criticize the musician I love, lol!

18 (edited by murfdog 2014-10-13 16:43:04)

Re: Why do some people slam Joe's original work?

whaaaaat? I don't understand...well I guess all the stupid people in the world could explain this phenomena

Murfdog