Topic: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

So sad to hear the news of this on a number issues.
3 Dead and now 70 missing
100 years since The Titanic sunk and nearly to the day (uncanny) Hit rocks (not Iceberg) late at night

Seems it was the captain's poor guidence through those waters
Very similar stories coming from the passengers who were in dining room when crash happened, and the liner listed quickly over and the lights went out resulting in sheer panic for the 3,000 + in the dark
Lets prey all those 70 are found


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16558910


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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

From one who is very familiar with modern shipboard practice and navigation, this was nothing less than criminal negligence by the Captain and crew. Modern navigation aids and electronic cartography make an accident like this nearly impossible. Praying that all survivors are safely rescued.
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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

RickB wrote:

From one who is very familiar with modern shipboard practice and navigation, this was nothing less than criminal negligence by the Captain and crew. Modern navigation aids and electronic cartography make an accident like this nearly impossible. Praying that all survivors are safely rescued.
Rick

I was thinking the exact same thing.I just can't understand how this could happen with modern computerized navigating equipment.Makes you wonder....So sad for all aboard,crew and passengers.

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The ship was clearly not in as deep water as the captain is now. How could they have been going so relatively fast, so close to shore, that hitting a "reef" could cause a tear of nearly 100 meters? Something doesn't add up.

A purser with a broken leg was rescued out of the ship today, but there still seem to be around 40 people missing. This was a tragedy that certainly should not have been possible nowadays.

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The Captain was arrested shortly after he came on shore. Criminal manslaughter charges.
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I read today that the skipper joined the firm 11 years ago as a security official although thats not to say he didn't have the necessary seafaring qualifications. He was promoted from second officer in 2006 according to reports.

Looking at the resting position of the ship, even allowing for some forward motion after the hit, to see such a huge vessel so close to shore on its side tells its own story.

Unless the skipper can prove there was a catastrophic equipment failure which also rendered his common sense 'MIA', this guy and his bridge crew have got to be up on manslaughter charges. I hear it is now 6 dead and 14 missing. Out of 4000+ they can be lucky it is so few.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

Hard for me to believe a modern (five years old) 114K-ton vessel with state-of-the-art navigational equipment could capsize in calm seas and result in loss of life. Even human error is hard to believe since it's not like the captain's alone on the bridge.

The article I read said the captain was hired as a Safety Officer in 2002 and promoted to Captain in 2006. SAFETY Officer? And yet, no mayday, no alerts to passengers, no deploying of life vessels until the ship was already listing so badly it was no longer possible. I understand he wanted to make for shallow water, and that certainly did mitigate things somewhat as far as getting the passengers rescued, but if, as he says, the rock was not on the charts, at that point how could he be certain that he'd be able to get the ship close to shore without hitting another one? Sounds like he rolled the dice twice, lost the first cast but won the second. For what it's worth.

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The Captain made another error - he has said publicly, he was the last off the ship - from what has transpired so far - NO, he wasn't!

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

Well, there were most definately 6 people on it after him who didn't live to tell the tale.

I heard also on the radio one seriously injured (leg) person was actually a senior crew member that they found. There was clearly some chaos here and if the Captain was actually off the ship whilst the evacuation was still going on that is pretty damning.

I hope it doesn't take too long to get to the truth of all this.

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hansamike wrote:

Well, there were most definately 6 people on it after him who didn't live to tell the tale.

I heard also on the radio one seriously injured (leg) person was actually a senior crew member that they found. There was clearly some chaos here and if the Captain was actually off the ship whilst the evacuation was still going on that is pretty damning.

I hope it doesn't take too long to get to the truth of all this.

I seem to remember reading that it was a purser who had broken his leg, which is why he couldn't get out on his own.

I'm looking forward to them patching that hole and then pulling the monster upright.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

Apparently on the news now, the captain had sailed closer to the island to show off the ship to the locals who had members on board. Expensive showing off if it is right...

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PSmith1946 wrote:

Apparently on the news now, the captain had sailed closer to the island to show off the ship to the locals who had members on board. Expensive showing off if it is right...

everybody's probably seen it by now, got too close so his head waiter could wave to his dad on the island. So it appears he was off course on purpose. Negligence is one thing, stupidity quite another. What a dumbass.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

a lot of sentences being dished out here before all of the evidence is known, although I would agree that it does look like he made an error of judgement which is a great shame if true. I guess some people will follow the letter of the  law and abide by every rule whilst others will make it up as they go along. The tragedy is that by the sound of it and well meaning gesture has had such a negative impact on so may people.

The other side is however that I read today that some crew were praising the captain for his manoeuvres after the side of the ship had been struck as he brought her into shallow waters thereby possibly saving a lot of lives.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

Certainly his decision to bring the ship even closer to the island after the impact HAS probably saved lives given that the evacuation process appears to have been inadequate.

Being cynical, if it is proved and sounds like it has been, it also enabled him to get off sooner. Now why the hell did he do that, given how it would look?

The charts may have been wrong, but it is no defence as he shouldn't have been there in the first place having deviated from his agreed route. Deviations are allowed of course, at the captains discretion, which he excercised but with catastrophic consequences.

It is clear the rapid listing of the ship caused the evacuation to be less organised and it may have also contributed to him leaving the ship, but given what had occurred it would have served him better, if it was possible, to remain aboard.

I guess when all the facts are known his action to bring the ship in closer will be taken into account on the credit side, but if his bad judgement caused the disaster in the first place he must surley go down on manslaughter charges.

If he was a naval captain this would be court martial and chokey in fairly short order I should think.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

ahsmith33 wrote:
PSmith1946 wrote:

Apparently on the news now, the captain had sailed closer to the island to show off the ship to the locals who had members on board. Expensive showing off if it is right...

everybody's probably seen it by now, got too close so his head waiter could wave to his dad on the island. So it appears he was off course on purpose. Negligence is one thing, stupidity quite another. What a dumbass.

Tres

The reports are also saying this captain had done this numerous times before, without incident. Apparently somebody moved that rock.

Thing I'm waiting for is video of the impact. If there were that many people on shore who were expecting the ship as it went by, wouldn't that be great if one of the people waving also had a video camera? Great for us to see and great for the investigators to get to the bottom of what happened.

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Agreed with both Ian196 & Hansamike have said so far.
It's safe to say, the Captain will - i hope, face more than one charge.
The outcome is rather less certain - knowing the history of the Italian criminal justice system!

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

Five more bodies recovered today, 19 still missing. The Port authority released the text of their converstaion with the captain, who had abandoned the ship before rescue efforts were complete!

He is in deep do-do, and rightly so. Not being the last off the ship will possibly cost him more dearly than hitting the rock.

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Re: Cruise Liner Tragedy - Italy (Titanic 2)

I agree that the transcript released today of his conversation with the coast-guard is pretty damning, - HOWEVER me being a cynical old s*d still wonder why so much muck is being thrown his way when it actually should be kept under wraps for now. - AND I am not convinced that his employers are not responsible in some way. If he was under qualified to do the job or not trained properly then they have some accountability here.

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