Re: Aurora

Lee wrote:

I've been to 38 shows now and I can honestly say I've never, ever had a problem hearing Joe's guitar loud and clear.

Me neither.

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Re: Aurora

srxman2001 wrote:
illinimax wrote:

Did think they could have boosted his guitar a litttle too. Sound much better on this show compared to the one in Anaheim a few weeks ago. What a great venue to see Joe B!!! Hope he makes it back to Chicagoland soon.


This isnt the first time people have mentioned that the lead guitar volume needed boosted.  I myself have experienced at a few shows where guitar volumes were less than ideal. 

Let me state this,  in capital letters, so everyone can hear

YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO HEAR THE GREATEST GUITAR PLAYER TO EVER PICK UP A GUITAR PLAY IN CONCERT!!!!  NEVER!!!!

Sacrifice bass, vocals, drums,  whatever. But make sure Joes guitar is loud, clear and upfront!!! 

I know depending on the venue, bass can be hard to control and vocals can get drown out but lead guitar volume IMHO is straight forward.  Just crank up those amps!!

Thats my rant for tonight. Columbus show Friday!!!!

Doug

Amen.

Btw, I bought my brother and his friend tickets for the Columbus show. Hope all of you guys have as much fun as we did in Aurora.

Re: Aurora

Rocket wrote:
Lee wrote:

I've been to 38 shows now and I can honestly say I've never, ever had a problem hearing Joe's guitar loud and clear.

Me neither.

Rock ON & Keep the Faith,
Rocket

Having been to two shows recently (Anaheim and Aurora) I can attest to the fact that Joe's guitar needed a little boost. The sound did improve dramatically from the first show, as did the band.

Re: Aurora

Rocket wrote:

.  Also, tell me how you determined the Paramount to be "very bright".  I'm all ears.  big_smile

...dare you to put out your real name and your recording résumé so I can crititique how the engineers and producer "made" you sound (betcha don't).  Maybe I won't think it is bad at all, maybe just so so.....but from your heart and good entertainment.

Hey Rocket, just to clarify. I'm not giving the entire show a C+, just the sound. Sound is a such subjective thing. One person's C+ is another's A+, I guess that's why I was asking, just to get a feel for the rest of the crowd. It seems like most people thought is was pretty darn good, so maybe it's me and where I was sitting.

I've made my living as a recording engineer for the past 30+ years, (12 years at Universal Recording, 20+ years at Chicago Recording Co) and it's hard to turn off the part of my brain that is constantly evaluating the mix. Certainly studio work and live work are VERY different. The only thing in common is listening with a critical ear and constantly asking yourself "can I hear all the parts?" and "how are they fitting together sonically?" And for me there were many times Tuesday night where I wasn't hearing all the parts. That's all, it's not a judgement on your experience, just what I was hearing.

I certainly agree with you that sitting up front you sacrifice some of the good sound. That's why I got up and listened to "Steal Your Heart.." "Great Flood" and "Young Mans Blues" from a few rows behind the console and as I said it was better, but still not great for me. Couldn't hear Rick much of the time, toms were a LOT lower than the rest of the kit, and the guitar wasn't present.   

As for the brightness of the room, it was just my gut reaction. All that faux gold leaf on the walls, that coffin shaped box on the ceiling, I can't recall if the back of the hall was curved or not but for sure there was a pretty good slap of the snare off the back wall. I guess what really makes me think it was bright was the slap was almost brighter than the direct sound .   If I compare The Paramount to some similar size Chicago venues (The Vic, The Chicago Theatre) it seemed brighter. Of course I can think of plenty of places that sound worse! (Allstate Arena) But that's a whole other thread.

What did you think of the room?

Re: Aurora

I'm surprised the sound was bad there. Usually out here, the older halls have superior acoustics. The local worst are the clubs. Rick's sound always has seemed washed out to me except on a couple of songs occasionally. Joe himself just commented on having to cut back his FOH to allow Rick's sound to be heard. I've heard the show start out muddy or boomy but usually the engineer recovered and had it good after the opening two or three. A thankless task there, only critics are heard if it is less than perfect.
Rick

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Re: Aurora

I completely disagree with this review. I thought the show was sort of boring for a Joe show. Also I was in the 4th row and could barely hear Joes leads when the rest of the band was jamming. I watch live at Rockpalast at least once a month. That was an amazing band. I am so glad I got to see that line up several times

Re: Aurora

I would rate that show a C minus. I was in the 4th row and could not hear his leads for **## untill he played without the band. Im used to his guitar sound being right in my face. I was very dissapointed. i also think in this show Joe was just trying to get thru it. He seemed to come alive in the last half hour. But what do expect the guy has been playing 200 plus shows a year for so many years now he is going to have nights like that.

Re: Aurora

Completely agree with you...The Shank Hall Shows back a few years ago were the best. The guitar was melting my face off.

Re: Aurora

backroad junkie wrote:

Completely agree with you...The Shank Hall Shows back a few years ago were the best. The guitar was melting my face off.

I didn't miss any Shank Hall shows, dating back to 2004.
Those days are gone and I don't think they are ever coming back.

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Re: Aurora

I dont who you are Bill S but you seem to think you own this message board. This is for all the fans that support Joe an if we want to say something about a certain era of Joe then let us have our opinion and fun.

29 (edited by photogal 2011-03-14 18:36:31)

Re: Aurora

backroad junkie wrote:

I dont who you are Bill S but you seem to think you own this message board. This is for all the fans that support Joe an if we want to say something about a certain era of Joe then let us have our opinion and fun.

Backroad Junkie,

I don't know how anyone can get the impression that BillS acts like he owns this message board, but one thing you and many newer fans have to realize is that Joe has moved forward with his music, it is just different. It may not be the same music it was in the past, but that is the way it is. This has been a topic of discussion long before you joined the message board. The band is different, more refined now. But the band and sound being different than what it was several years ago should not be confused with good or bad sound in the venue. BillS was just stating his opinion, just as you have yours.... If you want to listen to the same thing an artist did years ago, just put the CD in and push play.....

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Re: Aurora

backroad junkie wrote:

I dont who you are Bill S but you seem to think you own this message board. This is for all the fans that support Joe an if we want to say something about a certain era of Joe then let us have our opinion and fun.

I never said anything negative about those days, in fact, I have been to loads of shows at Shank Hall and loved every one of them.
I was stating an opinion too, which I think is probably true: For better or worse, those days are gone.
As far as me thinking I own this message board...nothing could be further from the truth.
This is Joe's board and we are all his guests.

"Rock ON & Keep the Faith"

Re: Aurora

backroad junkie wrote:

I dont who you are Bill S but you seem to think you own this message board. This is for all the fans that support Joe an if we want to say something about a certain era of Joe then let us have our opinion and fun.

backroad junkie, As Bill S said rightfully so he doesn't think he owns this board or do I believe he has ever acted like it. He shows it respect and others on here as well. You have a right to your opinion but whether it stays posted here or not is my call. I have been trusted with filtering some of the noise that may go on here. I already had to delete something you felt like you needed to get off your chest and just a warning. It is not always what you say but how you say it. So either lighten up or move on please.

Re: Aurora

It's been downhill since Bloodline.

lol

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Re: Aurora

I just want to put my 2 cents in on this topic.I have been a BONAMANIAC since around 2005 .I think Joe and the current lineup are the best so far and always seem to be getting better.I was seated further back at the Aurora show about 1/3 back from stage off to stage left.I thought the quality of the sound was very good.The volume to me seemed a little less than what I am used to.However I had a cold and wasnt sure if that was why it seemed so.I didnt think Joe was mailing it in or lacked energy at all.The crowd was getting in to it as well.I am sure for any performer they feed off the crowds energy as well.All in all loved the new set list ,great version of young man blues as well.Also just wanted to note I have been on this board for a long time and know Bill S to be a class guy never disrespectfull or full of himself or his opinions.Dont mis interpret his passion for trying to take ownership here on the forum.

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Re: Aurora

Ive been a fan long before this message board. I spemd more time playing my guitar and being outdoors then typing on here. Sorry that some of the fans cant handle any critisism of Joe.
Backroad Junkie,

Re: Aurora

Critique of the sound at the venue or how the show production was perceived is what the forum is for. Joe reads it and he wants to know. But the Kenny and Eric those were the days posts get tiring. We all have fond memories of those days that experienced them but not all agree that we wish they would return.

When you don't routinely check in and post sometimes it is hard to read how meaning should be interpreted. So misunderstandings develop. Such as Bill S's comment. There is nothing wrong with casually commenting or posting that is what it is here for but this forum is revered by many and so is Joe. I think that todays show is closer to the edgyness that Eric and Kenny brought but Joe's playing has changed since those days and his choice of guitars. The Gibsons have influence his playing and his sound and I agree that sometimes it gets lost because it does not have the top end that a Fender does.

To me his guitar can not be too loud but it can be too soft. When he plays up the neck and gets into the higher frequencies it cuts through much better. Of course I have high frequency hearing loss and I have to crank the treble on anything I listen to. Guns, Drums, and Rock n Roll have bee unkind to my hearing. Now age is taking its toll.

36 (edited by cathysiler 2011-03-15 12:25:19)

Re: Aurora

I feel I should add that the sound volume and the mix are Warren's territory. He's a big boy. He reads the reviews and takes the comments under consideration. Whether he chooses to alter any settings is another topic lol All should feel free to comment on their experiences. I often get the feeling that the biggest critics are musicians. I guess they listen with a critical ear. For nonplayers, such as myself, it's a matter of simply responding to how the music makes us feel. I'm glad I don't play. As for those that long for days past, they're just that, past. If you want a harder sound you now have BCC to follow. Regardless, your comments will always be viewed as valid when they aren't an attack. That's when you'll suffer the ire of Joe's Army, 'cause that's how we roll  wink Cathy

(edit - a mere few letters here and there)  wink