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Saw this article, a reaction to the Download culture....

Are record clubs the new book clubs?
By David Sillito
BBC arts correspondent


Music lovers gather for uninterrupted album appreciation at Colleen Murphy's club

A growing number of music-lovers unhappy about the way album tracks are enjoyed in a pick-and-mix fashion have decided to take action.

The rules are strict. No talking. No texting. You must listen to every song on the album.

Classic Album Sundays treat our best-loved records like great symphonies and are being set up in London, Scotland and Wales.

Groups of music fans sit in front of a vinyl turntable, with the best speakers they can afford, dim the lights and listen to a classic album all the way through.

This monthly club in north London is run by Colleen Murphy and for her it is a strike against "'download culture", the sense that music has just become an endless compilation of random songs used as background noise.

"Everyone, stop multi-tasking, sit down, open your ears and do some heavy listening."

The set album this month was Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. We sat in silence even as David Bowie's record was turned over to side two.

"They've created works that have a beginning, a middle and end”

Neil McCormick
The seats were soft, someone had lit some incense. Some people closed their eyes, others nodded in rhythmic appreciation. There was a sense of being collectively submerged in Bowie's music.

"You're not even allowed to use the bathroom here, it's too noisy," says Ms Murphy.

Kate Bush's The Hounds of Love was a previous choice, and a popular one amongst the regulars. Most had heard bits of the record but few could remember sitting through it all the way through.

It is a topic that has been making the papers. Pink Floyd went to court to try to protect the integrity of albums such as Dark Side of the Moon. For music critics such as Neil McCormick of the Daily Telegraph they were totally justified.

I've started, so I'll finish...
Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars - David Bowie
The Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
Blue - Joni Mitchell
Get Happy - Elvis Costello
Dark side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
"These are works of art at their greatest level. You can pick up a Dickens book and read a little bit of it and get some pleasure but you will not get the same pleasure as you would picking it up and reading it from beginning to end."

He took me through his vinyl collection, the albums you have to listen to all the way through. Top of the list was Blue by Joni Mitchell, then in no particular order came Get Happy by Elvis Costello, Dark side of the Moon, Bob Dylan's Blood on the Tracks and all of Led Zeppelin. The list was a long one.

"They've created works that have a beginning, a middle and end, that have nuances, themes, that take you on a journey that's as great as any novel, any opera, any drama."

One of the greatest crimes he feels is to split up the suite of songs at the end of the Beatles' Abbey Road, because each song drifts in to the next.

The little tune Her Majesty is a simple little coda to ease the tension left by the Beatles farewell to their fans, the song The End. At the end of the song there is a gap and a final crashing chord, then to relieve the tension comes 23 seconds of this little acoustic ditty. On its own it begins half way through that final chord.


"It makes no sense," says McCormick. "To split them is simply shocking, meaningless."

But to Peter Robinson of the website Pop Justice this is the past speaking.

"Most albums, you've got a pretty good idea. The bad songs are pretty bad, you know. We're busy people. Let's just get rid of them."

Every album he owns is split, analysed and re-ordered. This, he says, is progress. The listener is in control and we do not have to sit through bad music. If he were to spend time with a "classic rock" album, he says the solution is simple.

"What I would do is open the track as an audio file, take out any drum solos, look for any guitar solo, take it out, close it and put it back into iTunes."

Albums, he says, have often become meaningless. Some songs are given away as free downloads, track listings can change with bonus tracks being added or changed. You can, he says, listen all the way through but do not feel obliged to obey the whims of a pop star.

But back at the pub in Islington in London, we were coming to the emotional climax of Rock and Roll Suicide at the end of Ziggy Stardust.

The £12,000 speakers were revealing little nuances of sound that some of us had not heard before.

The remastered vinyl seemed to capture the feel of the 70s and I had stayed awake for almost all of it. Heads nodded, a foot quietly tapped and as the final string chord faded out the lights were turned back on.

For Gina Tapsley, it was a revelation: "Listening to an album like this shows me something new, it's always an emotional experience."

DJ Shadow, The Stone Roses, Kanye West, Carole King. The blackboard was already filling with suggested classic albums for the months to come.

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Brack wrote:
Lester wrote:

For the price of one English Pound
they could have kept my business - the store manager chose not to.

Sorry to hear that Lester. Would that be just one HMV store, or HMV as a whole ?

In fairness they are a good company and their website has always been
a strong supporter of Joe's CD's and DVD's. I was just a little taken aback
by the store manager's attitude - she didn't seem to care about my business.
I have  a supsicion the store in question may be on the hit list anyway as
they have recently reduced the floorspace by 50%.
Amazon and play.com do tend to be cheaper or maybe I have now become a
'grumpy old man'.

Lester

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I buy a lot of CDs from Amazon because of convenience, selection and price - you can buy anything there, and often used for cheap.  I wanted to pick up Van Halen's "Fair Warning" last year, and I found the CD for $2 on Amazon.  Hard to beat that when I was looking for a specific album.  That said, I love going to my local indie record stores and buy both new and used music there whenever I can.  Browsing in a real store is great fun, and the owner of East/West Records in Orlando is just an awesome lady.  She turned me on to Levon Helm's "Dirt Farmer" which is one of my favorite albums of the last decade.  I never would have even thought to check it out online.  I bought the last few JB releases there (I can preorder), and lots of used stuff.  I like the store, they have used CDs 3/$20 which is a good deal, and I want to keep them in business.  I also buy vinyl at another local music store - Rock & Roll Heaven - they've got a great selection and browsing is fun.  I haven't bought a CD at Best Buy/Target/etc in many years, though.

As for disappearing guitar-driven rock, I think it's true to some extent - it's not what's being pushed by the labels, and not what's being asked for by the masses.  Honestly, the lack of guitars doesn't bother me as much as the lack of real drums.  So much pop music of today has boring, "fake" sounding loops for the entire track.  At least 30-40 years ago there was a real drummer on on pop song.  Regardless, there are still a bunch of great guitar bands out there, they just aren't getting pushed by the majors as they were in the 80s and 90s.  I see it more as a reflection of the state of the music industry as any issue specific to guitar-driven rock.

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A growing number of music-lovers unhappy about the way album tracks are enjoyed in a pick-and-mix fashion have decided to take action.  The rules are strict. No talking. No texting. You must listen to every song on the album.

That's interesting - a few friends of mine at work have been planning on getting together for a vinyl record listenign party.  Each one of us picks one record and then we spin everyone's picks.  Hang out, have a few drinks, and listen to classic rock (or blues, jazz, whatever) on vinyl.  Really listen.  It'd be a lot of fun.

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HMV had its credit insurance restricted yesterday:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12225076

Share value down 10%. The record labels do need to step in here (I would think) or they will loose their last large High Street outlet.

Just cannot help thinking that they have got it wrong by following the UK supermarkets into only dealing with the mainstream music and dropping stock of what they would see as specialist genres such as Blues..Clearly from the replies onthis thread others like me have been forced into online purchase due to availability and price.  sad

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It's not anywhere near disappearing! The MUSIC that is.  Formats, mediums, outlets, availabilities, etc., another story.
Long live rock.  Be it, or not to be, that is not the question to me.  How we peruse and "discover" or even "recover" something we want to hear is no longer just one way only.  Dozens of dozens have "found" some good stuff JUST though links & posts here, articles in magazines, whether print or online, blogs, (such as Keith the "Nightwatcher's" blog http://nightwatchershouseofrock.blogspot.com/ ), word of mouth, radio??? (any type), TV shows (someone else discovered Joe on TV -correlating their new found excitement with seeing my Bonamassa T shirt,yesterday!!!), Best Buy's or HMV's, the wonderful independent (including used) recording (and books too) stores scattered round about......don't get too down!  big_smile
If you like it, say so, share it, buy it, recommend it, buy & share it, hack it, get it, give it anyway you must.  If you don't like it...cast your vote by saying so, not buying, not sharing, not caring, not speaking about. 

Long live rock.  Be it dead or alive.  Or once again, thank goodness, it's just suffering a case of the blues (even if the blase blues)!   tongue   Suffering=allowing.........by one definition  wink

Rock ON & Keep the Headstone Off My Grave and Keep the Musical Faith,
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good topic I enjoy the posts.I live in the Chicago area and most of the record stores have gone by by.The only one I see is Rolling Stone Records which has been around forever and still open.If you want to shop brick and mortar you are religated to Best Buy or Borders Or Barnes and Knoble book stores.I see cds being less of a retail item other than your top pop artists.
  As for guitar music there are still great bands out there.Everything has been splintered into sub of sub catagories so it dilutes the genres.I have many friends who over the last decade have no clue about current guitar or "music close to what we grew up on ,which is classic rock or blues rock"When I pull out a JB cd or some other artist they like but have never heard because you have to search to find it.The music is not out there put in front of you.So unless your a die hard fan /music lover you will just be treated to oldies and Jay Z or whatever.

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Just out of curiosity, i googled who were the top 10 earners of 2010 ....

Bon Jovi are top earners of 2010

Bon Jovi formed in 1983
Rock band Bon Jovi's The Circle show was the highest-earning tour of 2010, taking $201.1m (£130.7m) worldwide, according to music trade publication Pollstar.

Australian rock band AC/DC landed at number two for the second year in a row, with tickets sales from their recent tour totalling $177m (£115m).

U2, which was the top worldwide act in 2009, came in at third place, with ticket sales totalling $160.9m (£104.6m).

Lady Gaga followed in fourth place, with Metallica at number five.

Gaga, who has become well known for her flamboyant outfits, earned $133.6 million (£86.8 million) from her tour.

But the Poker Face singer worked harder than any other musician in the top 10, after she played 138 shows.

By contrast, Bon Jovi played 80 shows, AC/DC performed 40 shows and U2 played 32.

In sixth place was Michael Buble's tour taking $104.2 million (£67.7 million)

The educational family show Walking with Dinosaurs took $104.1 million (£67.7 million) to earn seventh place ahead of Paul McCartney with tour takings of $93 million (£60 million).

At number nine were the Eagles with ticket sales totalling $92.3 million (£59.9 million) while ex-Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters was in 10th place with $89.5 million (£58.1 million) earned.

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Brack wrote:

Gaga, who has become well known for her flamboyant outfits, earned $133.6 million (£86.8 million) from her tour.

But the Poker Face singer worked harder than any other musician in the top 10, after she played 138 shows.

By contrast, Bon Jovi played 80 shows, AC/DC performed 40 shows and U2 played 32.

and Joe performed at over 200 gigs in 2010. 'nuff said.

Ars Longa, Vita Brevis

“The guy who has helped the blues industry the most is Joe Bonamassa and I would say he is more rock than some rock stuff, so to me blues is whatever you want it to be!”
Simon McBride in my interview with him in Blues Matters! Issue #56

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The whole CD technology is flawed because although portable, they scratch very easily.
I applaud the return of vinyl, because of the sound and the nostalgia.

It's my idea (and hope) that  bands should start selling vinyl albums that include a coupon code to download the digital files online... "the best of both worlds" in my opinion.

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Wooders wrote:
Brack wrote:

Gaga, who has become well known for her flamboyant outfits, earned $133.6 million (£86.8 million) from her tour.

But the Poker Face singer worked harder than any other musician in the top 10, after she played 138 shows.

By contrast, Bon Jovi played 80 shows, AC/DC performed 40 shows and U2 played 32.

and Joe performed at over 200 gigs in 2010. 'nuff said.

Yes, i was going to mention that.... but  thanks Wooders!
Anyone know how much Joe earned from his 200 + shows... roughly ?

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I heard on the radio on the way into work this morning that the #1 album on Billboard right now (I didn't catch who the artist was) had sold the lowest number of records or CDs of any #1 recording since they started keeping records of such things.

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Jane - our local record store (Newbury Comics) has lots of really cool stuff besides records.  I am sure that is part of what keeps them going.  Lots of CD's in a lot of different genres, and plenty of vinyl at one store nearby.  Not too good about doing special orders (one guy explained to me that they had been burned one too many times?) but if it is at another store they will track it down for you.  And they have real comic books!  Also lots of used CD's and DVD's for short money - great way to beef up your older stuff.  I rarely escape from this place without spending more than I planned on.  If there were more places like this I don't think the physical music store would be in such jeopardy.

Sandy

"There's a lot of people that are in so much of a hurry to be, I guess, to be famous or that they don't want to take the time to learn to play and do all that.They'd rather just knock it down off a computer and maybe get on a game show and get famous..That's fine if that's what you want to do.
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"Rock band Bon Jovi's The Circle show was the highest-earning tour of 2010, taking $201.1m (£130.7m) worldwide, according to music trade publication Pollstar."

Since Brack mentioned this I thought I'd elaborate about all that $$$$ and a major THUMBS UP to Jon Bon Jovi for sharing his wealth.  wink

A few years back, Bon Jovi sent an anonymous person to check out Sister Mary Scullion's work for the homeless in Philadelphia.  Liking what he learned about the project Jon Bon Jovi became the front man with $$$$ to fund the project.  He sold his interest in the Philadelphia Soul (arena football team) and is vested emotionally and fianacially with Project H.O.M.E and has been appointed by President Obama to a White House Council. Bon Jovi has traveled around the country educating himself about the condition of homelessness. 
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa … 58,00.html
http://www.projecthome.org/
http://www.jonbonjovisoulfoundation.org … _solutions

And with a little help from my brother Kevin, who knows Sister Mary through being a Phildelphia real estate attorney with expertise in non-profits, Sister Mary asked Jon to donate guitar strings to  the StringsforaCURE Foundation and they came in the mail last week!  So yeah, rock stars come in all different varieties; JON BON JOVI HAS A HUGE HEART & SOUL!!!  smile

Back on topic, sadly the closest retail store for me to buy a CD went out of business right after Christmas, F.Y.E. I'm not sure if they all went out of business or just this location.

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Today, worldwide, 16th/04/11, is officially Record Store Day - http://www.recordstoreday.com/Home  3 cheers  Hip Hip ....     smile

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Brack wrote:

Today, worldwide, 16th/04/11, is officially Record Store Day - cool http://www.recordstoreday.com/Home  3 cheers  Hip Hip ....     smile

Yes, but I wonder how many people are actually BUYING????!:):). I say that if record stores won't back down with the retail prces, nore and more artists will find diff ways of selling their albums DIRECTLY to the fans:):)!

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Interesting article in the BBC Business section - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12118619

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I think that the music store is basically gone.You will still have retailers who carry cds such as walmart but in a limited capacity.That leaves people with a couple of choices for finding new music.The main source I think will be going to a site such as amazon where you will be linked to similiar artists.I have found new music this way myself.The other way will be through facebook with freinds passing on what they like.- don't think that this will happen overnight.
  The other thing - think may happen is music genres getting put into speacialty catagories.One example is like independant label Grooveyard Records,an internet indepenent label focusing on guitar based music mostly retro 70's blues rock and instruemental.
  Hopefully there will still be some small ma and pa store that can hang on,but they will have to find other merch to make money on.

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