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very interesting Jeff, ta kindly.

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Thanks Doc, if Cadbury says thats the way it went down, so be it, no mo' speculation.

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ohiodawg13 wrote:

Thanks Doc, if Cadbury says thats the way it went down, so be it, no mo' speculation.

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So be it! I recall MTV being all over that video and I for one found it highly, ridiculously even, all at once silly, offensive, cheesy, and above all lame that David Bowie would deign with smiling pretense to be pulling off that guitar solo!!! I could tell by hands and it made me very upset.

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Rocket wrote:
ohiodawg13 wrote:

Thanks Doc, if Cadbury says thats the way it went down, so be it, no mo' speculation.

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So be it! I recall MTV being all over that video and I for one found it highly, ridiculously even, all at once silly, offensive, cheesy, and above all lame that David Bowie would deign with smiling pretense to be pulling off that guitar solo!!! I could tell by hands and it made me very upset.

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Rocket Man, the trick is never take Bowie too seriously. He's only as good(musically) as the people supporting him. You can't deny he's good at what he does though.

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Bowie is actor as much as musician, - and I do not mean that as a derogatory statement. The "Let's dance" album was a pop album in a period where pop was awful, - this was in comparative terms a very well put together album, with clearly a couple of good musicians on it!

For those that do not know the video this is it, - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA a film about red shoes! Quite unusual to have aboriginal cast in those days, - a minority group suffering racial divide within their own Country, - credit to Bowie for bringing the divide between the rich and poor as he does in this video. And great that MTV picked up this video and gave it such airplay, - may have in some small way helped change opinions on something that is a whole lot bigger than a mime to a solo.

Not sure Rocket why you would get upset up the solo issue, - the video is very purposefully vague about the playing of it, - Bowie even wears white gloves which I took as his acknowledgment to SRV and the audience that this is theatrical, - he is not trying to claim anything here, - quite the reverse.

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24 (edited by Rocket 2010-08-17 07:10:42)

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Ian916 wrote:

Bowie is actor as much as musician, - and I do not mean that as a derogatory statement. The "Let's dance" album was a pop album in a period where pop was awful, - this was in comparative terms a very well put together album, with clearly a couple of good musicians on it!

For those that do not know the video this is it, - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA a film about red shoes! Quite unusual to have aboriginal cast in those days, - a minority group suffering racial divide within their own Country, - credit to Bowie for bringing the divide between the rich and poor as he does in this video. And great that MTV picked up this video and gave it such airplay, - may have in some small way helped change opinions on something that is a whole lot bigger than a mime to a solo.

Not sure Rocket why you would get upset up the solo issue, - the video is very purposefully vague about the playing of it, - Bowie even wears white gloves which I took as his acknowledgment to SRV and the audience that this is theatrical, - he is not trying to claim anything here, - quite the reverse.

BS! He could have easily had any video streaming and yet he holds a guitar, gets filmed, tries to fake it---ultimate cheeze factor! My 6th sense just got sick sensing something---the truth came out.  David Bowie and Mick Jagger are two people I never take too seriously.  I can take Ozzy Osbourne far more seriously. Seriously.  They're entertainers they get to do what they want, I get to say what I like or do not like about their choices.  Pop was not awful, presentation of pop was awful.  The best pop band of the time IMHO was The Romantics, and NOT (just) for That's What I Like About You OR Talking In Your Sleep, but for what the lame punk ( and I don't mean The Ramones) and supposedly new wave music WAS NOT-Simply Good Music that rocked.  What you didn't hear unless you "dug" is what made them great.  Wally Palmer is on tour with Ringo Starr's All-Stars.  I am not saying David Bowie isn't fascinating often or likable-I really enjoy a Bowie tune now & then, love Spiders, Aladdin Sane and the stuff with Brian Eno.  There came a tipping point and THAT guitar scene was IT! For me.  After that it became, (still has become, hit and miss, yeah) "What have you done for me lately Mr. Jones?!

Just me being me, no offense or real disrespect of others' opinions offered intended at all.  smile

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good debate/talking point Rocket.

Production of video is normally out of an artists hands, - it is what it is and have to say I think it is a BS story that SRV got the hump over the video, - it is an easy talking point that adds credibility to SRV over Bowie who is one of the most successful artists ever.

Maybe you did not have all of the "new romantic" electro pop rubbish that we had,  how can you have a band without a guitar in it???  wink  - The Romantics did nothing over here, - it was all Ultravox, Pet Shop Boys and Duran Duran, - generalising it was an awful piece of music history. - Artists that started out as good went so mainstream and awful, - Elton John and Rod Stewart to name just two.

Bowie wrote some of the best rock riffs; Rebel rebel, Jene Genie and a few very good songs; Hereos, Changes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDetQ18fw5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA29BVtC … re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYjBQKIO … re=related

and just found this, - Bowie and SRV worth a listen. Enjoy people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqtQo6c … re=related

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One thing about Bowie is he is quite the chameleon.  I saw him play after NIN and he was as hardcore as NIN only with a better voice.  He doesn't get out that much any more, his wife won't let him! big_smile

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Ian916 wrote:

Bowie is actor as much as musician, - and I do not mean that as a derogatory statement. The "Let's dance" album was a pop album in a period where pop was awful, - this was in comparative terms a very well put together album, with clearly a couple of good musicians on it!

For those that do not know the video this is it, - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA a film about red shoes! Quite unusual to have aboriginal cast in those days, - a minority group suffering racial divide within their own Country, - credit to Bowie for bringing the divide between the rich and poor as he does in this video. And great that MTV picked up this video and gave it such airplay, - may have in some small way helped change opinions on something that is a whole lot bigger than a mime to a solo.

Not sure Rocket why you would get upset up the solo issue, - the video is very purposefully vague about the playing of it, - Bowie even wears white gloves which I took as his acknowledgment to SRV and the audience that this is theatrical, - he is not trying to claim anything here, - quite the reverse.

First, Deezer explained the tour by quoting Bowie.

Next, your 2 post are quite confusing.  In this post, you give David Bowie the credit, even casting, for the video.  In your next post, you state "Production of video is normally out of an artists hands."

Was the idea for the video his or was it someone else? 

I also don't get how David Bowie playing a guitar with white gloves actually gives acknowledgement to SRV.  I don't see what one has to do with the other.  If people look at the video by itself, they wouldn't think SRV. 

This wasn't one of my favorite works by Stevie so I'm glad they had their separate careers.

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Ian916 wrote:

this thread has made Bills fan forum:

Many of you know Carmine Rojas as Joe Bonamassa’s bass player. Did you know he played with David Bowie? There has been a lot of discussion lately on the forum over at Joe Bonamassa’s site. From the way it sounds, Stevie Ray Vaughan was going to tour with David Bowie back in the 80’s. The tour fell through as Stevie Ray Vaughan couldn’t bring his whole band on the tour with him. His full band at that time was known as Double Trouble. Carmine Rojas and Stevie met in the studio while recording David Bowie’s “Last Dance” album. Check out the thread and discussion here. You’ll find a lot of interesting facts that you never knew.

http://bonamassalive.com/2010/08/12/car … y-vaughan/

pst Bill, - the album was "Let's Dance"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9k … ature=av2e

Whoops you found my typo...  lol

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Ian916 wrote:

good debate/talking point Rocket.

Production of video is normally out of an artists hands, - it is what it is and have to say I think it is a BS story that SRV got the hump over the video, - it is an easy talking point that adds credibility to SRV over Bowie who is one of the most successful artists ever.

Maybe you did not have all of the "new romantic" electro pop rubbish that we had,  how can you have a band without a guitar in it???  wink  - The Romantics did nothing over here, - it was all Ultravox, Pet Shop Boys and Duran Duran, - generalising it was an awful piece of music history. - Artists that started out as good went so mainstream and awful, - Elton John and Rod Stewart to name just two.

Bowie wrote some of the best rock riffs; Rebel rebel, Jene Genie and a few very good songs; Hereos, Changes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDetQ18fw5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA29BVtC … re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYjBQKIO … re=related

and just found this, - Bowie and SRV worth a listen. Enjoy people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqtQo6c … re=related


The story about Stevie Ray getting upset about David Bowie pantomiming his guitar parts in the video is in fact true, and have been confirmed by both Chris Layton and Tommy Shannon, and Jimmie Vaughan as well. I recall the story going that Stevie called Jimmie in a rage, and Jimmie telling him it was because it was the best part of the record.

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this thread does hint at the negative side to this forum, - in that if it aint blues rock or EC, JB or SRV then it get's a bashing, - there is a slight edge born about by the seeming lack of tolerance for other artists who do not "conform" to the ideology, - and not for the first time people with a more eclectic/tolerant view point who just put something else into the debate get knocked. I am generalizing, - some like Rocket are great to have a debate with.

I do not know who directed the video, - who called in the cast, who made the calls, - it could well be correct the SRV did spit the dummy over the video, - but for me whoopie-dooo - the show was the David Bowie show, he was the artist, it was his name on the ticket, and I had to put my glasses on (seriously) to find Carmine and SRV named on the album.

Maybe Jimmie did tell him it was the best part of the record, - but did the contract between SRV and Bowie stipulate that he play on the video? Who knows? - all sounds like a load of sour negativity to me that may have been the case at the time but many years have gone by since, - shame that some keep harping on about the negative. The purpose of my starting this thread was very much more around the positive aspect of Carmine playing alongside SRV (and Bowie).

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33 (edited by Deezer 2010-08-19 10:33:09)

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My problem with this whole thing is that people are saying "well it could be true" or "this is speculation" about what I am saying. No. What I am saying has been well documented and is regarded as "the word." One thing, I do not speculate, unless I label it as such. I do my homework before I say something. So there's my minor frustration taken out for today.  roll

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I found my copy of Cutter's book. After Double Trouble recorded their first album in Jackson Browne's studio they were shopping it around to labels. Bowie had asked if Stevie would play on his Let's Dance album.

The original intent was to tour with Bowie with Double Trouble opening and Stevie playing in both bands for the tour. Which would promote Texas Flood which is what Stevie was all about. As they were rehearsing for the tour Cutter who was Stevie's tour manager at the time couldn't get Bowie's people to confirm Double Trouble was opening. No tour Iterneries or the like.

When they finally pinned them down for an answer whether Double Trouble was opening they told them that there would be no opening band. They waited till the last minute thinking Stevie would relent and do the tour anyway. Stevie was all about his own bands career and walked last minute.

The album then was pushed to the label by John Hammond Sr. and they were signed.

This is Cutter Brandenburgs version as told in his book You Can't Stop a Comet. I have spent time with Cutter and I don't doubt his version.

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I found this in an SRV interview...http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/002283.html

Did you actually do any of the live shows with Bowie?

SRV: Unh unh. There was a whole different light on the subject almost that had nothing to do with the way he offered the tour. We [Double Trouble] were supposed to open up all the shows and he was supposed to be wanting to have us in that situation to help us out. And as it turned out, I was supposed to quit them [Double Trouble] and not have anything to do with them, not do interviews or anything. And, I’m sorry, I’ve worked for that a long time. Fame and this big tour is really not that important.


But who knows, it may be just more speculation...

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Sonicboom wrote:

I found this in an SRV interview...http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/002283.html

Did you actually do any of the live shows with Bowie?

SRV: Unh unh. There was a whole different light on the subject almost that had nothing to do with the way he offered the tour. We [Double Trouble] were supposed to open up all the shows and he was supposed to be wanting to have us in that situation to help us out. And as it turned out, I was supposed to quit them [Double Trouble] and not have anything to do with them, not do interviews or anything. And, I’m sorry, I’ve worked for that a long time. Fame and this big tour is really not that important.


But who knows, it may be just more speculation...

From the horses mouth? Don't think so.  One would have to call St. Steven out as a liar and stone him.

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